The world matters saxib. Almost everything is made-man. Definitions sometimes change. When you currently look up the definition of Arab this comes up: "a member of a Semitic people, originally from the Arabian peninsula and neighboring territories, inhabiting much of the Middle East and North Africa." Yes, even though Arab isn't technically a race (defined), it's still a group of people. Even though American is not a race, it's socially easier to say you're an American, even though many people might still say 'Somali-American'.What does it matter how the world thinks the definition of this or that is? Yes how you look affects the way people treat you, if you are perceived to be this or that then people will act accordingly, but that doesn't mean how I see myself is any less important to me than how other people view me.
What, if I just spoke Arabic? No. I have family members that are fluent but they're still Somali. If I was brought up in an Arab country, interacted with Arabs only, spoke Arabic as a first language then possibly.
Welp this was a successful thread. But I started a fucking civilwar between Arab bashers that get triggered over of a simply fact, arab bootyclappers, and civil people that understand there are indeed cultural similarities.
The Point of this thread was to point out the simple fact that Somalis and Yemenis have very Similar cultures. I knew it would trigger the Arabbashing bandwagoners, and it sure as hell did
For those of you who think I'm an Arab bootyclapper. No one is begging for anything bc I don't think I'm an Arab, and consider myself a black African. But I also don't deny the fucking obvious fact that we indeed have cultural similarities with our Yemeni Arab neighbors we've been trading with for centuries.
+1 for @CaptainMajid because he put it simply and perfectly.
I'm signing the f*ck out and won't be responding to this thread, peace.
That's funny. Haplogroup does not denote genetic relationships between ethnic groups. It just tells you the genetic marker one of your ancestors carried.
Somalis are made up of an ancient extinct East African group and an ancient pre-Arab Middle Eastern group, which is why we carry haplogroups like T and N but not J, which was more recent.
If we had none of that West Asian admixture, we'd be equally distant from Arabs and Africans and be our own "race" genetically. But because of that admixture, when plotted on a PCA graph, Somalis plot closer to Arabs and even Europeans than West/South/Central Africans. You made the mistake of going by haplogroup alone.
*Side note your leader definitely falls in the 60-70%AfroArab range. Are you the same kind or from same subclan?
How?You've pretty much just answered yourself.
How?
I literally just said that had we not mixed with this Middle Eastern population, we'd be equally unrelated to both non-cushitic Africans and Arabs. But that admixture has shifted us a little towards the Arabs. We are still very distant towards both, but we're skewed slightly towards Arabs if we're plotted on a PCA graph.
Our DNA being made up of a pre-Arab populations makes the Arab ancestry a myth, but not the cultural ties. They still exist, whether we have Arab in us or not.By saying that Somalis are made up of African and Non-arab Eurasian ancestry. Doesn't that mean this talk of Arab ancestry and cultural ties is a myth?
DNA test have already shown Somalis as pure east Africans as opposed to the Habesha who have some significant Arabian ancestry. Our middle-eastern mix preceded the Arabs by several millienia. There were other populations living in the Near East before the Arabs, you know.
Our DNA being made up of a pre-Arab populations makes the Arab ancestry a myth, but not the cultural ties. They still exist, whether we have Arab in us or not.
My point was that in terms of genetics we are not close to other Africans at all. The African component of our DNA is distinct and separated from Bantus by about 30,000 years. Remember that DNA-wise that's a massive amount of time. It also contains the genetic markers of an extinct African population, meaning we aren't closely related to any other modern day Africans. I'm well aware that there were populations before the Arabs.
You failed in history read about the old Yemen civilization
Look earlier in this thread to see some of the similarities we have.Maybe you're mistaking generic Muslim behaviour/cultural norms with having similar cultures. I honestly cannot come up with any cultural similarities between Somalis and Arabs. Macawis and khat don't count as those are superficial, more recent (like, within the last 100 years) and not indigenous (khat is Ethiopian and the macawis is south-east Asian).
Genetically, we are not close to anyone. This is because we are made up of two extinct population groups that are very distinct from other African and Asian population groups. But we are still ~60% black African on average. We are closer to Mtumbe from Uganda than we are to Ali from Yemen. No amount of verbal gymnastics can change that.
Why are you denying the obvious. I have Jeberti friends who acknowledge their history. Maybe it's a Christian thing to deny history.
raw meatwtf i'm not lying. Ciise are the oldest somali clan and invented most of the culture.
Yeah you guys eat it with some meat stuff
Why are you denying the obvious. I have Jeberti friends who acknowledge their history. Maybe it's a Christian thing to deny history.