Somali-Arab Culture

[gurey]

We should not confuse cultural overlap with ethnicity. We are not Arabs but we share culture with them due to proximity and religion. We are both nomadic people, people of the desert.


Somalis always wore two pieces of clothing pre-islam(two blankets) like ancient Greeks. Does that make them Greeks? Of course not. What people oppose is the claim that Somalis are arabs. It is offensive to anyone who is Somali and doesn't have an arab mother(that Somali with the arab mother can claim to be half arab rightfully).

It is very offensive to claim you are an arab when you are not and you speak as a Somali on behalf of Somalis. That is the beef.

Some ppl cant help but scream somali are arabs

 

[DuctTape]

This is true, but there is no such thing as a Somali race, more like an Ethiopian race of at least 100 million people. I believe that the Afar, Oromo Sidamo, Saho, Amhara, Welayta, Tigray, Beja...,etc form a distinct race that is particular to the Horn. But we are all Black Africans who must stand in PanAfrican solidarity with our other Black brothers. Do Vietnamese and Indonesians have anything in common but skin color? no really but they believe in Asian solidarity. The Black race must be united if we are going to get anywhere.

"Race" has been used interchangeably between ethnic group and the actual common definition of race, e.g "Black", "White".
Your point about Vietnamese and Indonesians and really for Asia in general doesn't really work. Asia is different from Africa in that regions like the Middle East, which is Asian (and was the first place to be named Asia) has inhabitants that feel and have literally no connection to Chinese, Japanese, Indians or Tibetans. It's such a massive continent.

And Europeans/The West is aware of this, which is why they clearly distinguish between South, West or East Asians, referring to them by their nationality or ethnic background. But Africa doesn't seem to get the same treatment sxb. It's all "Black". Even when said Europeans distinguished the 'Ethiopian race' as you called it (which doesn't sound like the best label but I guess it works) from other Africans, they still think we're all spear chucking savages that go on about bad juju and chant in our mud huts. Call us all "Africans". That applies to everyone, even Moroccans, who aren't considered Black but still feel African pride for the most part and literally have more claim to the African label than us, since North Africa was originally named Africa. "Black" isn't inclusive. "African" is.

 

[gurey]

Yes hey got everything from Somalis, You sound fucking retarded. First the incest burners are not both somali, I got the Yemeni one from here Research — Hambaloozi A yemeni blog post. Second that incest burner is just a modern one and it's also in Somalia.
"Two random pics of furniture doesn't mean jack shit". That's what the inside of a typical Somali household looks like and they did get it from the Yemenis.

You can get triggered all you like but your culture is heavily influenced by harry Arabs

Just because some somali have fadhi arabed doesnt mean anything. If anything it means we get cheap furniture from Yemen. Eh so if you got an iphone in somalia it means we're Americans?

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

"Race" has been used interchangeably between ethnic group and the actual common definition of race, e.g "Black", "White".
Your point about Vietnamese and Indonesians and really for Asia in general doesn't really work. Asia is different from Africa in that regions like the Middle East, which is Asian (and was the first place to be named Asia) has inhabitants that feel and have literally no connection to Chinese, Japanese, Indians or Tibetans. It's such a massive continent.

And Europeans/The West is aware of this, which is why they clearly distinguish between South, West or East Asians, referring to them by their nationality or ethnic background. But Africa doesn't seem to get the same treatment sxb. It's all "Black". Even when said Europeans distinguished the 'Ethiopian race' as you called it (which doesn't sound like the best label but I guess it works) from other Africans, they still think we're all spear chucking savages that go on about bad juju and chant in our mud huts. Call us all "Africans". That applies to everyone, even Moroccans, who aren't considered Black but still feel African pride for the most part and literally have more claim to the African label than us, since North Africa was originally named Africa. "Black" isn't inclusive. "African" is.

I thinking more in terms of them seeing themselves as members of ASEAN. They have nothing in common racially but they understand that they share similar histories of colonization and divide and conquer so they strive to unite despite their differences. The way I see it, Somalia is a natural extension of Ethiopia and our intertwined history shows this to be true. So I am in favor of integration with Djibouti, Eritrea and Ethiopia with whom we share common origins.

I understand that North Africans don't feel comfortable with being associated with Blackness but I have no problem with it. We are a Black people for the most part and we should embrace that we share this trait with hundreds of millions of humans on our continent. If a Portuguese and a Finn can claim to be white, a Congolese and a Somali can claim to be Black. These are coalition forming terms that are politically useful.

 

[CaptainMajid]

Insecurity everywhere.

I take it as a sign of identity crisis when you can't admit that all of the below are true:

-Certainly have links and similarities with people across the Gulf of Aden
-That Somalis are a distinct people
-Are also black Africans

 

[CaptainMajid]

Why would you care about what Arabs think about Yemenis?
The links aren't obscure, Yemen and the HOA, not just Somalia, have had very strong links for milennia. We've always been trading and doing business, and intermarrying. Saying you don't have any Yemeni in you is one thing, but claiming that our cultures are not related or similar in the slightest is idiotic
We are right next to each other, are you blind

The most amusing internet take is that it's begging to note that you have similarities with people who live next to you.

 

[Adheer Warsame]

What a dumb thread.

 

[Netero]

That's is literally it. Fucktards like @ace and @666 are the ones who are in denial of this simple fact, getting triggered and their panties in a bunch, at the slightest mention of how Yemenis and Somalis share similar cultures.

But you are saying that all of the similarities originated in Yemen with zero proof. Is it so difficult for you to imagine that perhaps these similarities originated in Somalia or maybe even elsewhere?

 

[CaptainMajid]

That's is literally it. Fucktards like @ace and @666 are the ones who are in denial of this simple fact, getting triggered and their panties in a bunch, at the slightest mention of how Yemenis and Somalis share similar cultures.

why does this infuriate these kids? Is accepting cultural similarities gonna erase Somali identity or something? B-b-but you are colonized.

 

[DuctTape]

I thinking more in terms of them seeing themselves as members of ASEAN. They have nothing in common racially but they understand that they share similar histories of colonization and divide and conquer so they strive to unite despite their differences. The way I see it, Somalia is a natural extension of Ethiopia and our intertwined history shows this to be true. So I am in favor of integration with Djibouti, Eritrea and Ethiopia with whom we share common origins.

I understand that North Africans don't feel comfortable with being associated with Blackness but I have no problem with it. We are a Black people for the most part and we should embrace that we share this trait with hundreds of millions of humans on our continent. If a Portuguese and a Finn can claim to be white, a Congolese and a Somali can claim to be Black. These are coalition forming terms that are politically useful.

ASEAN is made up of Southeast Asian countries, and I'm pretty sure they make up their own racial bloc in Asia. Aren't Indonesians and Malaysians closely related? That's the difference, you had to narrow it down to Southeast Asia. Asia's far too large to claim that all the peoples there could feasibly unite.

The Horn of Africa integrating is more likely than Somalia uniting with the rest of Africa, and the chances of that happening are extremely low as is. They've been unable and probably unwilling to take over Somalia for hundreds of years, and the blood feud between us and them is very old and very fresh in both of our minds. I'd rather have us be independent as a Somali nation. Even though we are much, much closer to Ethiopia than we are to say Ghana, we are still very very distinct from each other. That's how unique we are.

I agree with you that the Black identity is politically useful for forming coalitions. I like how you have this practical and political approach to race, that's a leader mentality right there

 

[Netero]

I thinking more in terms of them seeing themselves as members of ASEAN. They have nothing in common racially but they understand that they share similar histories of colonization and divide and conquer so they strive to unite despite their differences. The way I see it, Somalia is a natural extension of Ethiopia and our intertwined history shows this to be true. So I am in favor of integration with Djibouti, Eritrea and Ethiopia with whom we share common origins.

I agree. We should stop fighting and become one nation. A few conditions though. The state religion will be Islam, the official language will be Somali and only Somalis are allowed to run for office. Once we complete our Somalization program we can allow all citizens to run for office. If we do this we will surely take over the world.

 

[DuctTape]

I agree. We should stop fighting and become one nation. A few conditions though. The state religion will be Islam, the official language will be Somali and only Somalis are allowed to run for office. Once we complete our Somalization program we can allow all citizens to run for office. If we do this we will surely take over the world.

The Ethiopians are as Christian as we are Muslim, it is in their DNA. There is literally no chance of that happening
Somalis need to unite before any of this Ethiopia nonsense can even be entertained.

 

[merka]

You can love it or hate it but there is no fucking denying that some of Somali culture is heavily influenced by Arab culture, especially Yemeni.

Can't believe I missed this plat thread. Get ready to have your mind blown.

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[Bahal]

I eat burgers and wear jeans.

I also speak English.

I'm a white american now

 

[DuctTape]

I eat burgers and wear jeans.

I also speak English.

I'm a white american now

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Except Arabs aren't one ethnic group. They're a bunch of different ones. There are light(er) and dark skinned Arabs. So your example doesn't work lol
I'm not even sure what your point is but if you speak Arabic you're an Arab.

 

[Dire Dewa's son]

Shutup if you dgaf then

*Side note your leader definitely falls in the 60-70%AfroArab range. Are you the same kind or from same subclan?

 

[Bahal]

Except Arabs aren't one ethnic group. They're a bunch of different ones. There are light(er) and dark skinned Arabs. So your example doesn't work lol
I'm not even sure what your point is but if you speak Arabic you're an Arab.

I don't give a damn about their definition of Arab.

The actual Arabs in Somalia speak Somali and have even gone as far as Somalizing their clan names or in some cases totally denying their Arab heritage while millions of jet black Sudani , Egyptians and Berbers speak Arabic and are convinced they're Arabs.

One time in a barber shop, some Reer Xamar guy that was wallahi the spitting image of Saddam Hussein was accosted by an Arab guy who kept asking him in Arabic where he was from.

His response in horribly broken Arabic?

Saddam: Uh....uh....asal...uh...asal Soomaali

Arab guy:



I know, but originally akhi

Saddam: turns to us and asks us in af Soomaali if anyone speaks Arabic to explain he's Somali



Wallahi true story

 

[waranlee]

Welp this was a successful thread. But I started a fucking civilwar between Arab bashers that get triggered over of a simply fact, arab bootyclappers, and civil people that understand there are indeed cultural similarities.


The Point of this thread was to point out the simple fact that Somalis and Yemenis have very Similar cultures. I knew it would trigger the Arabbashing bandwagoners, and it sure as hell did

For those of you who think I'm an Arab bootyclapper. No one is begging for anything bc I don't think I'm an Arab, and consider myself a black African. But I also don't deny the fucking obvious fact that we indeed have cultural similarities with our Yemeni Arab neighbors we've been trading with for centuries.


+1 for @CaptainMajid because he put it simply and perfectly.

Insecurity everywhere.

I take it as a sign of identity crisis when you can't admit that all of the below are true:

-Certainly have links and similarities with people across the Gulf of Aden
-That Somalis are a distinct people
-Are also black Africans

I'm signing the f*ck out and won't be responding to this thread, peace.

 

[OmarLittle]

Except Arabs aren't one ethnic group. They're a bunch of different ones. There are light(er) and dark skinned Arabs. So your example doesn't work lol
I'm not even sure what your point is but if you speak Arabic you're an Arab.

But, that's not how world thinks of Arab.


Would you call yourself Arab, if you spoke Arabic?

 

[DuctTape]

But, that's not how world thinks of Arab.


Would you call yourself Arab, if you spoke Arabic?

What does it matter how the world thinks the definition of this or that is? Yes how you look affects the way people treat you, if you are perceived to be this or that then people will act accordingly, but that doesn't mean how I see myself is any less important to me than how other people view me.

What, if I just spoke Arabic? No. I have family members that are fluent but they're still Somali. If I was brought up in an Arab country, interacted with Arabs only, spoke Arabic as a first language then possibly.