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I'm quite certain that she's a Sudanese Copt and they don't really marry out, saaxiib
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I'm quite certain that she's a Sudanese Copt and they don't really marry out, saaxiib
I'm quite certain that she's a Sudanese Copt and they don't really marry out, saaxiib
No such thing, brother. They're Egyptian Copts who came over the last couple of centuries and, as you say, they remain very endogamous so they're still pretty much "pure" Masri Copts who'd look no different from a Copt in Upper or Lower Egypt. Waa immigrant Masaari, saaxiib. If that is my sister's origins then it is beyond humorous that she calls the nativity of the Zaghawa into question for she is arguably more bankrupt than them in this respect.
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No such thing, brother. They're Egyptian Copts who came over the last couple of centuries and, as you say, they remain very endogamous so they're still pretty much "pure" Masri Copts who'd look no different from a Copt in Upper or Lower Egypt. Waa immigrant Masaari, saaxiib. If that is my sister's origins then it is beyond humorous that she calls the nativity of the Zaghawa into question for she is arguably more bankrupt than them in this respect.
After sifting through their history, it seems pretty clear that the Zaghawa have resided in Sudan since antiquity, so their Sudanese credentials are iron-clad.
It's too bad that Nilotes are so disunited -- even in what essentially amounts to our own ethno-State; we are children of the Nile and the Sahara; the cow has sustained us; our nomadism has hardened us, but our disunity and internecine wars have debased us.
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That article details that Khartoum deployed 15, 000 troops to Yemen, upon the request of Saudi Arabia, so it can't be chalked up to just mercenaries.
Also, someone should have told the Egyptians to not fret about South Sudan's stated desire to construct dams on the White Nile -- due to the apparent topographical constraints inherent to South Sudan. An expert (on a forum) is hip to this, but Cairo is unaware.
Source:
No dam can apparently be constructed here:
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Oh my, you still aren't over this? There's millions of impoverished boys and men across the Sahel so I struggle to see how 15,000 is a jaw dropping number.
Poverty drives Chadian youth to join Sudan's brutal RSF
In-depth: Poverty is driving thousands of young Chadians to join Sudan's notorious RSF, one of the region's most feared paramilitary organisations, where they may be deployed as far afield as Yemen. Mahamat Tahir Zene reports.
Please show me where are the hills/mountains to hold back the water for the new reservoir created by the dam? You're about to flood your entire miskeen country!
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Oh my, you still aren't over this? There's millions of impoverished boys and men across the Sahel so I struggle to see how 15,000 is a jaw dropping number.
Poverty drives Chadian youth to join Sudan's brutal RSF
In-depth: Poverty is driving thousands of young Chadians to join Sudan's notorious RSF, one of the region's most feared paramilitary organisations, where they may be deployed as far afield as Yemen. Mahamat Tahir Zene reports.english.alaraby.co.uk
Sahel? Those are your boys. They all (according to you) have their origins in Sudan, so you can't disavow them now.
Please show me where are the hills/mountains to hold back the water for the new reservoir created by the dam? You're about to flood your entire miskeen country!
Still larping as an expert?
That's just one picture of the White Nile in a Nation that has Valleys; actual experts will be consulted.
Again with the strawman. When did I say all Sahelians originated in Sudan? The Rizeigat (Sudanese origins) have high ranks and give orders to the Tama and Zaghawa fighters (Chadian origins).Sahel? Those are your boys. They all (according to you) have their origins in Sudan, so you can't disavow them now.
Still larping as an expert?
That's just one picture of the White Nile in a Nation that has Valleys; actual experts will be consulted.
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Not you posting a photo of the South Sudan and Uganda border, you don't even own the land of the entire picture
I geolocated it for you, left side is South Sudan and the right side is Uganda.
So let me break this down for you.
The dam would need to be 3.55 KM wide, and it can only be 10 feet tall since the land quickly becomes flat as you go upstream. Not only is that pathetically small but half the water would need to be shared with Uganda
Building a large dam isn't necessary, as I said before you can build many small dams and that will be enough to achieve water security. Maybe not irrigate massive agriculture schemes but is that really necessary when you can develop many small ones? Either way it allows your country to be food secure and potentially a net-exporter.
The funj were also black non arabs originally right?It would have been very difficult to convert South Sudanese because we (Dinka) remember being pushed out of the Gezira (North) in the 13th and 15th Centuries by the Afro-Arabs; Northern tribes attempted to enslave Nilotic tribes and our resistance was costly; we developed a great deal of hatred for the Arabs after that and sought to fight them at every turn.
Also, the British literally made it illegal for the North to preach the message of Islam in South Sudan.
Little known fact, Salva Kiir's sister is a Muslim; my father's maternal family has adherents and our border communities have a lot of believers, so perhaps we would have come around in time, if the North employed a different approach.
The irony is that we contributed the very mercenary troops that the Funj Sultanate used to conquer the North -- which turned Sudan into a Muslim majority Country.
The Ja'aliyyin apparently tried to convince us that we were actually sons of Abbas
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You claimed that the Arab tribes that Khartoum routinely settles into Darfur were all originally from Sudan -- and I've already established that the Zaghawa have been in Sudan since antiquity, so what population is foreign there?
Not you posting a photo of the South Sudan and Uganda border, you don't even own the land of the entire picture
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Where's the proof that most of the valley is not in South Sudan? In either case, we have excellent relations with Uganda, and the EAC framework will only add to this.
We have far more arable land than Uganda and it could only benefit us to coordinate on agriculture.
The source I used for that picture of the valley:
Travellers' guide to South_Sudan
Open source, wiki travel guide to South Sudan with information, photos, activities, maps, travel tips and more. Created by the amazing members of Travellerspoint.
www.travellerspoint.com
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So let me break this down for you.
The dam would need to be 3.55 KM wide, and it can only be 10 feet tall since the land quickly becomes flat as you go upstream. Not only is that pathetically small but half the water would have to be shared with Uganda
Provide the source for that picture
What are you basing your calculations on?
And who says that up to half as much of the valley is in Uganda?
Nothing in that picture shows me that the picture above is actually South Sudan; link the source.
The point is that we can build the necessary number of dams -- and all that nonsense about South Sudan's topography being unable to accommodate dams must now be discarded.
Yes, as a Nation with an incredibly high percentage of arable land and abundant water resources, we can definitely be a net exporter of agricultural goods.
Below is a picture of the Merowe dam:
Where are the hills/mountains?
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How tf did that guy increase his frame by that much???I would’ve asked out his cute younger self to prom xataa! Quruxlow mashallah.
might just have to betray OGs!
Qabil check?
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Yes, the Rizeigat and their sister tribes are Sudanese nomads that have historically expanded westward into Chad and as far as Niger (their president is actually of Sudanese descent). I already established that Greeks and Egyptians have also been in Sudan since before antiquity. So by your definition they aren't foreigners either. And unlike the Zaghawa they contributed to the development of Sudan instead of chimping out only to end up joining the same milita+military that humiliated them.
Google Earth...
Your own source literally says it's the border.
Seems like you're struggling to accept reality so here's a map.
Stop being emotional. I never said your country cannot accommodate dams but that you can't build large ones due to your topography.
Wishing you the best of luck!
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Are you really going to equate the incursions of powers (Greeks) from outside the continent with indigenous populations that sprang up from that area and inhabited the territory for thousands of years?
No, the Greeks would not only be foreign, they would be external to the continent; also, what continuous Greek settlements have existed in Sudan since antiquity?
So not only did you completely distort the origins of the Zaghawa, and entertain the possibility of stripping them of their citizenship and expelling them from their historical homeland... you (a Copt) thinks that your precious little estimation of their value to their homeland can at all justify your ludicrous comments?
The source that I shared didn't say that it was the border zone; the source from where you got that particular caption seems to be a related page or entry that I did not come across.
Says the person that casually brought up the idea of expelling an ethnic group and whose origins they got wrong.
Show me where the mountains/hills are in this picture of the Merowe dam:
Yes. Who are you as a foreigner to take away their Sudanese identity? The Muslim Greeks mixed with the locals whereas most of the Christians left after Nimeiry's socialist reforms.
Distort? What I'm saying is also backed by oral history I've been told by Zaghawa elders in Omdurman. Lol, Copt? Alhamdulillah I'm Muslim.
Another emotional strawman. When did I bring up expelling them? That was you and I simply said I do not care if it happens.
*Uses a deep-fried cropped image* Show me da mountains/hills!
On a serious note, this is where Google Earth is helpful. The Merowe dam was built in an area with rocky hills, topography you cannot find in the South.
Your shoulders can get broader from exercise. You didn’t know that? Most people aren’t born with these large strong frames but they are attainable. I seen an indhoyar boy during highschool go from small and frail to a large build over a semester and summer break
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Their Sudanese identity? Establish exactly how long they've been in Sudan, and let's see how it stacks up to indigenous populations whose continued residency in Sudan you conditioned on their good behaviour?
Are you saying that you didn't say this?
Really, the oral history of the Zaghawa frames them as foreign to Sudan? Too bad none of us were privy to that little exchange.
The Zaghawa are apparently so foreign in fact that some random person can reasonably entertain the possibility of expelling them.
Another emotional strawman. When did I bring up expelling them? That was you and I simply said I do not care if it happens.
Seriously, you didn't say this:
You didn't condition their stay in Sudan on their behaviour? It's the case of not believing my lying eyes, right?
I'll show more pictures of the Merowe dam and none of them will feature mountains/hills of any sort
On a serious note, this is where Google Earth is helpful. The Merowe dam was built in an area with rocky hills, topography you cannot find in the South.
That seems flat; if that area is actually filled with rocky hills, then plenty of pictures of said hills should be easy to showcase, right?
The link you directed me to shows this:
You don't actually know anything about South Sudan's topography.
We have large mountains and valleys (firmly in South Sudan) in which water could be diverted to create large reservoirs:
The Imatong mountains:
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I said we're happy to host them as long as they behave. Not "I will expel them if they don't behave", seems like you're projecting your post-2011 deportation trauma.The Zaghawa are apparently so foreign in fact that some random person can reasonably entertain the possibility of expelling them.
Seriously, you didn't say this:
You didn't condition their stay in Sudan on their behaviour? It's the case of not believing my lying eyes, right?
That map clearly shows rugged terrain. Here's a picture of the area before the dam was built:
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