Somali culture is inherently inferior

[AussieHustler]

@Inquisitive_

The majority of Somalis are not Sufis. When was the last time you visited Somalia? Where did you visit? Besides Mudug and Galgaduud, the majority of Somalis from Burco (through Bari) to Ras-Kiambone we’re educated by Salafis except pockets (like in Mogadishu) who were educated by the Muslim Brotherhood or their affiliates the Tabliiqs.

 

[Rorschach]

I would've railed against OP a few years ago, but the proof of what he's saying is in the pudding unfortunately.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

This might take a while. Have a seat.

To proceed:

If you were to actually explore the dynamics of Somali culture, it's pretty clear that we are inferior to every culture except (perhaps, just perhaps) sub Saharan African culture. I'll make my case. All the fake pride aside.


It's a phenomen that is inescapable, from the Somali wadaad delivering sermons in the Mosque to the drug dealer supplying the local borough. From the Somalian twerking on social media to the pseudo nationalist donning 'Somali' attire and exhibiting typical platitudes. I've somewhat figured out something common in all of the divergence I pointed out above. They all exhibit an inherent inferiority that I believe stems from Somali culture itself.

For example, the 'Somali wadaad'. Reading and studying recent and post colonial Somali history, one thing always caught my attention. The swift and unchallenged penetration of non native religious ideologies that have made its way to Somalia in recent years.
By the time that the Somali identity was formed many centuries ago, it was known to all, far and wide, that to be Somali was to be a Sunni Ash'ari in theology, Shafi'i in Jurisprudence and Sufi (mainly Qadiri) as making up the religious establishment. Somalis are one of a few unique example in the world, in which they wholeheartedly accepted Islam as a religion without ever being colonised by Arabs or being defeated in conflict.

Fast forward.... A few students who were sponsored by the Saudi government to finish their studies (Wahhabism/Salafism) in Saudi Arabia, came along and when they returned to Somalia almost supplanted the foundations of something which existed for over a 1000 years where in other Muslim countries, the prevalent superior cultures would have made this penetration almost impossible. Somalia/Somaliland is one of the few, if not only countries/regions in the Muslim World in which the religious sector was successfully monopolised by a foreign ideology that was born in 18th century Arabia.
The reason? An inferiority embedded within Somali culture. Anything foreign to our own or anything is superior, better and greater (early conclusion). Is it then a surprise to see, that to be a great Muslim (Wahhabi), you should preferably wear Saudi cultural attire? Like a shimagh or a bisht? How many modern Somali Islamic scholars have you seen wearing native East African attire? A point of contemplation, I hope.

The Somalian is also a product of an inferior culture, the Somali culture. She is not prized, valued or even loved in the culture that she was born into (Somali women were nothing more than something to be dispensed with, she can be kidnapped or sold for a 100 camels). She senses her devalued state in society, so by nature, the Somalian desires every man other than her own (anyone/thing that can value her) and with good reason. An English colonialist once noted:
"Somali women prefer amourette with foreigners... for indeed the stranger filleth the eye".

It is also a recurring generational inheritance. The Somalian is influenced by her uncouthed, undesirable ascendant i.e 'mother'. The mother is on the phone 24/7, badmouthing her husband or most likely, ex husband, in front of the children, downlplaying her role in ruining her own marriage (she probably wasn't a good wife) until the children grew up to be, guess what? Yep, s and drug dealers. It is no surprise that an English colonialist once said: "Somali women are neither loved nor respected by their children". This is the product of Somali culture. Inherently, the majority of Somali women believe deep down, that any man is better than a Somali man. In her simple and feeble mind (which doth not exist a grain of intelligence), she elopes with an ex-con, criminal and undesirable non Somali with the justification that Somali boys are 'not doing well' in life... Alas for the .

The Somali drug dealer is nothing more than the send out boy (in majority of cases). He often does the dirty work which carries all the risks of potential harm whilst his slave master is opening up businesses on the high street. A combination of low intelligence and an inherent level of inferiority. He knows his place. He doesn't complain because he realises that he is nothing more than a cotton picker. Compare him to the Somali wadaad who when he sees an Arab Shaykh trembles with awe and opens the doors and encourages him to 'lead' the Prayer, simply because he is Arab, he must be more religious, more pious and more devout than us i.e. Black African Somalis. Both are struck down by the same disease despite the divergence in profession and lifestyle. The same can be said about the Somali 'politician', the Somali 'atheist', the 'BLM' crew, the 'LGBT' Somalis, the Somali 'Salafists' and religious community. They, despite their differeng views and ideologies, have much more in common with eachother which is that their ideology has been influenced primarily by their experience and culture as 'Somalis' as opposed to other communities who are influenced by a plethora of different experiences, many being secondary in nature.
Whether he is a Somali warlord who commands bravery against another Somali community but is humbled by a foreign leader (insert name), or a Somali gangster who builds his reputation fighting other Somalis but dare not venture against non Somali gangs or a Somali 'politician' who sells Somalia's assets to foreign powers to Somali tribal 'elders' who compete with eachother as to who can be a greater servant to the Queen or King lauding over them.... It's very fascinating to come to the conclusion that they all are in fact the same.

In conclusion, Somali culture is inherently inferior to superior cultures like Arab, Asian, European cultures, an inherent level of inferiority has transformed Somali culture into something extremely fluid, a subconscious realisation that if it's 'Somali' or originally 'Somali', it's inferior and thus it has come to pass. Accept it. Embrace it. Acknowledge it.

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Ruunti ninyahoow ma aqaan where to start but i'll do it anyway. You stated that somali culure is inferior due to

Acceptance of non-native religious ideas: If what constitutes inferiority is defined on the basis of acceptance or rejection of non native ideas then every society, civilization that has ever existed on earth would be labelled as being inferior. Societies are not fixed and through interactions with outsiders over time ideas, traditions get exchanged etc .

You mentioned that somali identity was synonymous with ashari aqeedah yet the ashari school itself was non native to somalis and most importantly it was established a few centuries later after the advent of islam. So before the spread of asharism in somali inhabited regions what do you think the predominant school was at that time ?

Furthermore wouldn't acceptance of ashari aqeedah after it spread to somali regions necessitate that somali culture is inferior as well based on your definition ? How is it that the adoption of salafism leads to somali culture being inferior while adopting asharism doesn't even though both are non native religious ideas ? The spread of Islam among somalis is also a non-native religious way of life, would this mean that somali culture is inferior as well for accepting islam ?


As you can see the criteria that you use to define what you understand to be "inferior" is flawed and your application of it is inconsistent as well. Beliefs, ideas etc should be judged on their merit ie content and not on acceptance or rejection of it in any particular society.


If anything i would say that you are the one displaying such traits by citing a racist to support your case. How shallow must you be to prove our "inherent inferiority" ? Why should the opinions of others dictate your identity and it's value? You only have yourself to blame when you give away your autonomy to others

 

[Arma]

We have people here, who can't string a sentence together in Somali, but wanna say what's bad or good about Somali culture. Come back when you learn your mother tongue.

 

[Nilotufian]

Does OP want us to be like our neighbour and feel this way about one ugly wooden church?

 

[Suldaanka]

Ruunti ninyahoow ma aqaan where to start but i'll do it anyway. You stated that somali culure is inferior due to

Acceptance of non-native religious ideas: If what constitutes inferiority is defined on the basis of acceptance or rejection of non native ideas then every society, civilization that has ever existed on earth would be labelled as being inferior. Societies are not fixed and through interactions with outsiders over time ideas, traditions get exchanged etc .

You mentioned that somali identity was synonymous with ashari aqeedah yet the ashari school itself was non native to somalis and most importantly it was established a few centuries later after the advent of islam. So before the spread of asharism in somali inhabited regions what do you think the predominant school was at that time ?

Furthermore wouldn't acceptance of ashari aqeedah after it spread to somali regions necessitate that somali culture is inferior as well based on your definition ? How is it that the adoption of salafism leads to somali culture being inferior while adopting asharism doesn't even though both are non native religious ideas ? The spread of Islam among somalis is also a non-native religious way of life, would this mean that somali culture is inferior as well for accepting islam ?


As you can see the criteria that you use to define what you understand to be "inferior" is flawed and your application of it is inconsistent as well. Beliefs, ideas etc should be judged on their merit ie content and not on acceptance or rejection of it in any particular society.


If anything i would say that you are the one displaying such traits by citing a racist to support your case. How shallow must you be to prove our "inherent inferiority" ? Why should the opinions of others dictate your identity and it's value? You only have yourself to blame when you give away your autonomy to others

factz

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

factz

Walaalka wuxuu uu baahna qof dunida kusa celiya

 

[Ainan]

What a seismic thread.

I agree in that we're inherently a flawed people.

My view is there ought to be a societal hierarchy much like the class system but less rooted and deference but this goes against our egalitarian social structures.

We're savages by nature. There's a need to remove this destructive zero-sum gene. And they're doing this through autism. We need more docile people who can conform to our collective will to prosper. Not everyone is meant to lead and not everyone should have opinions.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

@Inquisitive_

The majority of Somalis are not Sufis. When was the last time you visited Somalia? Where did you visit? Besides Mudug and Galgaduud, the majority of Somalis from Burco (through Bari) to Ras-Kiambone we’re educated by Salafis except pockets (like in Mogadishu) who were educated by the Muslim Brotherhood or their affiliates the Tabliiqs.

Somalis outside of Somalia are Sufi. From Djibouti down to Isaaqland to Ogaden.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

What a seismic thread.

I agree in that we're inherently a flawed people.

My view is there ought to be a societal hierarchy much like the class system but less rooted and deference but this goes against our egalitarian social structures.

We're savages by nature. There's a need to remove this destructive zero-sum gene. And they're doing this through autism. We need more docile people who can conform to our collective will to prosper. Not everyone is meant to lead and not everyone should have opinions.

Get your heads out of your asses. Somalis are a flawed people? More like Somalians are a flawed people. Ogaden, Djibouti and, NFD have nothing to do with what Somalis in Somalia did to themselves. Sorry not sorry.