Somali guy: "I love Arabs even if they mistreat me as an abeed"

[Basra]

Lool hows st cloud been for u barsa? Are ppl still crashing into homes

huuno i am bored to death! I want my Minihopless back!

 

[Shayla]

Should you not love your Muslim brother over some African cawaan who vists a shaaman weekly?

I don't have any love for either.

I love my family and I have love for Somalia/Somalis. That's it.

 

[Gacmeey]

I don't have any love for either.

I love my family and I have love for Somalia/Somalis. That's it.

Are you Muslim?

 

[Shayla]

Are you Muslim?

Yes I am.

What does that matter anyways?

What do I a Somali woman have in common with some Pakistani man or Arab man?

Just because we share a faith; I am suppose to have love for some random man.

Also, a lot of these Muslim countries mix their culture with deen anyways. They don't even follow the religion the same way Somalis follow it.

 

[Gacmeey]

Yes I am.

What does that matter anyways?

What do I a Somali woman have in common with some Pakistani man or Arab man?

Just because we share a faith; I am suppose to have love for some random man.

Also, a lot of these Muslim countries mix their culture with deen anyways. They don't even follow the religion the same way Somalis follow it.

Yes you are supposed to have love for your kin in faith particularly one you have never met. You are to assume good of them always. Sure you might relate more to a Somali over a ajnabi naturally, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t love the Muslim ajnabi. This is what was taught to us by our prophet s.a.w.

 

[Shayla]

Yes you are supposed to have love for your kin in faith particularly one you have never met. You are to assume good of them always. Sure you might relate more to a Somali over a ajnabi naturally, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t love the Muslim ajnabi. This is what was taught to us by our prophet s.a.w.

I don't love them. Prophet saw was talking about Muslims who were living in Medina who were strangers. It was a tight nit community. He wasn't taking about loving some random man from Lahore.

I wish every Muslim well. But I don't love them. If I was President of Somalia I wouldn't hesitate to put the needs of Somalia over the needs of the ummah.

 

[Gacmeey]

I don't love them. Prophet saw was talking about Muslims who were living in Medina who were strangers. It was a tight nit community. He wasn't taking about loving some random man from Lahore.

I wish every Muslim well. But I don't love them. If I was President of Somalia I wouldn't hesitate to put the needs of Somalia over the needs of the ummah.

Really? But during the prophets time there were Muslims living in many different places outside of madinah. The Hadiths and the Quran doesn’t say ‘believers in madinah’ it just say believers. Literally no learned person ever said that version of the prophets words.

As for putting Somalia above the ummah, Somalia is part of the ummah. What is good for the ummah is good for Somalia. It’s a fallacy to make their interests seperate.

 

[ATLbound]

Are you Muslim?

Why wouldnt it be enough if she loves the deen and the almighty. Theres no obligation to personally love everyone just of a shared religion. You will also look stupid blindly loving someone who could potentially despise you

 

[Sophisticate]

Yes I am.

What does that matter anyways?

What do I a Somali woman have in common with some Pakistani man or Arab man?

Just because we share a faith; I am suppose to have love for some random man.

Also, a lot of these Muslim countries mix their culture with deen anyways. They don't even follow the religion the same way Somalis follow it.

It’s one thing to offer a warm salutation (ASC/WCS) or extend general goodwill to a Muslim you’ve never met. However, the expectation of blind love and trust for a stranger is unreasonable. What’s often overlooked is that we were also taught to use wisdom and discernment. Blind trust without proof isn’t just naïve. It’s dangerous. It can put both men and women at risk.

Additionally, the ideal of Muslim unity doesn’t always align with real-life behaviours. Cultural and social dynamics take precedence (like you said), and lived experiences can vary greatly. Faith may unite us in principle, but that doesn’t override the need for caution.

 

[Shayla]

Really? But during the prophets time there were Muslims living in many different places outside of madinah. The Hadiths and the Quran doesn’t say ‘believers in madinah’ it just say believers. Literally no learned person ever said that version of the prophets words.

As for putting Somalia above the ummah, Somalia is part of the ummah. What is good for the ummah is good for Somalia. It’s a fallacy to make their interests seperate.

During Nabi saw time most Muslims lived in Medina. It was after the Prophet's death Islam really spread.

It's not true that what is good for the ummah automatically equals good for Somalia.

The Ummah is a set of countries thousands of miles apart.

Definitely, a lot of times what is good for us could be bad for another Muslim country.

But my love only extends to Somalis and I care about my homeland. Just like every other Muslim cares about theirs. And I will put Somalia ahead of any Muslim country.

 

[Gacmeey]

It’s one thing to offer a warm salutation (ASC/WCS) or extend general goodwill to a Muslim you’ve never met. However, the expectation of blind love and trust for a stranger is unreasonable. What’s often overlooked is that we were also taught to use wisdom and discernment. Blind trust without proof isn’t just naïve. It’s dangerous. It can put both men and women at risk.

Additionally, the ideal of Muslim unity doesn’t always align with real-life behaviours. Cultural and social dynamics take precedence (like you said), and lived experiences can vary greatly. Faith may unite us in principle, but that doesn’t override the need for caution.

I never said you should have blind trust. I said you should have love for a Muslim. Why is this even a debate?


Al-Nu’man ibn Bashir reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5665, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi

 

[Gacmeey]

During Nabi saw time most Muslims lived in Medina. It was after the Prophet's death Islam really spread.

It's not true that what is good for the ummah automatically equals good for Somalia.

The Ummah is a set of countries thousands of miles apart.

Definitely, a lot of times what is good for us could be bad for another Muslim country.

But my love only extends to Somalis and I care about my homeland. Just like every other Muslim cares about theirs. And I will put Somalia ahead of any Muslim country.

If you won’t listen to me listen to Ali r.a

Ibn ‘Asakir reported: Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, the believers are people with good will and love for each other, even if their lands and countries are far apart. The hypocrites are people with malevolence for each other.”

Source: Tārīkh Dimashq 23310

 

[Sophisticate]

I never said you should have blind trust. I said you should have love for a Muslim. Why is this even a debate?


Al-Nu’man ibn Bashir reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

You initially stressed unconditional love and assuming good always, which implies trust without proof. Offering goodwill is reasonable, but trust must be earned. That's where clarity or contextualizing is needed. Anyway, it’s not that deep. But as we both know, some are blindly trusting of all fellow Muslims and end up getting shafted by ones with less than holy intentions or those failing to live up to principles of Islamic brotherhood or sisterhood. Hence, why I underscored exercising discernment. That’s why I suggested metting one's expectations. Balance is key. That is all.