Somali twitter vs Spanish archaeologist
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their ethnic federalism makes it so no one can keep it for long lmao. the moment they're out of power they'll crash out like the Tigriyans and be shot like dogs.
People weren't allowed to write or learn oromo till the 90s. Somalis have their own country and are present in several others. Oromos being at the top politically isn't even a decade old and can easily change.
Somalis have our own country that is governed by an ethiopian installed regime and militarily defended by an african coalition led by ethiopia (oromos). you people need to stop living in the past and accept reality, oromos run east africa and the age of amhara dominance is dead. total cushitic victory
are you oromo perhaps? i get why you protect your brethren.
Thanks for posting this, I died laughing, dude getting roasted.He’s getting cooked in these quotes
This is why we need Somali archaeologists
@Keep it a boqol @Shimbiris
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This isn't anything new. A lot of people nowadays want to erase Somali history because they don't want to have people believing Somalis built these cities.
I've seen Reer Xamar people claiming to have founded Mogadishu, even though they didn't exist as a people when the city was founded. They're Swahili people from Kilwa who as merchants moved to Mogadishu.
We have Oromos who are continuing the tried and true tradition of going to a country in the Horn, acting like they're the people, and then claiming it's Oromo land. A delusion take for delusional people.
And now we have Europeans who want to deny that Somalis were the traders, despite the fact that historians from ancient history confirmed they were.
None of this surprises me. They found a mummified baboon in Eritrea and concluded the Land of Punt was there, despite there being baboons in Somalia. A civilization based on maritime trade, and it's definitely the people who didn't built many ancient coastal city states. It definitely can't be the Somalis, who had the most coastal city states in the Horn at the time.
We have Kenyan Bantu people claiming Somalis aren't native to any part of Kenya, despite the fact that we were there before they even reached East Africa. This is scientifically proven. They claim that the Bantu expansion is a colonial idea, despite genetic archeological evidence showing a Cushitic people who lived in the lands thousands of years ago with genetics indistinguishable from modern Somalis.
These delusional takes and exploits to erase Somali history will continue.
I've seen Reer Xamar people claiming to have founded Mogadishu, even though they didn't exist as a people when the city was founded. They're Swahili people from Kilwa who as merchants moved to Mogadishu.
We have Oromos who are continuing the tried and true tradition of going to a country in the Horn, acting like they're the people, and then claiming it's Oromo land. A delusion take for delusional people.
And now we have Europeans who want to deny that Somalis were the traders, despite the fact that historians from ancient history confirmed they were.
None of this surprises me. They found a mummified baboon in Eritrea and concluded the Land of Punt was there, despite there being baboons in Somalia. A civilization based on maritime trade, and it's definitely the people who didn't built many ancient coastal city states. It definitely can't be the Somalis, who had the most coastal city states in the Horn at the time.
We have Kenyan Bantu people claiming Somalis aren't native to any part of Kenya, despite the fact that we were there before they even reached East Africa. This is scientifically proven. They claim that the Bantu expansion is a colonial idea, despite genetic archeological evidence showing a Cushitic people who lived in the lands thousands of years ago with genetics indistinguishable from modern Somalis.
These delusional takes and exploits to erase Somali history will continue.
We even have somali scholars taking part in this. Like moahmed haji mukhatr. If you listen to his lecture for the library of congress. The pseudohistory he peddles is astounding
What further complicates it is that we don't have a word ''Nomad" in our language. Geeljire just means camel herder. Which is also reductive to employ to the whole group because Somalis kept donkeys, horses, sheep/goats and cows in large numbers not just camels.
In Somali we also have names like Reer Miyi(countryside people) and Reer Magaal(Towns people), that shows the duality between the rural v urban life. Then we have various occupational names Reer Qooto/Qudaal & Beerley for farmer and/or Reer Maanyo/Jaaji for fishermen. We call Sailors , Badmaax. We have minor occupational names like Tumaal(Blacksmith), Haragsade(leatherworker), Najar(carpenter) etc
Somalis engaged in diverse economic activities and it's shows in our language. Another thing that further complicates it is when they don't realize that pastoralism fueled farming, trade and industries. Livestock provided raw materials that were essential for urban industries and crafts.
Cattle, camels, sheep, and goats) produced high-quality hides used in leatherworking. Somali tanneries processed raw hides into leather for shoes, saddles, bags, shields, and armor. Somali leather was highly valued and was exported.
Wool & Textiles even, Sheep provided wool, which was spun into yarn and woven into blankets, rugs, and clothing. Goat fur was used to for tent-making, carpets, and ropes.
Boiled animal parts were used to produce glue for construction, textiles, and weapon-making.
Pelt & Fur Trade, Animal pelts (especially sheep and goat skins) was used for upholstery, and trading purposes. Fur was a valuable commodity in the markets.
@Shimbiris shared even some time ago how there was a bone crafting industry, animal bones was used for combs, tools, handles, ornaments, and weapons and horns were used to craft drinking vessels, musical instruments, and decorative items.
So pastoralism weren't simply for substistence food produce and that Somalis became very wealthy from it in many different ways which they rendered into finished goods also traded and exported raw materials from it.
It also stimulated trade and growth in agriculture productions since livestock products such as milk, butter, hides, and wool were exchanged for grains, vegetables, and fruits in Somali markets. This symbiotic relationship ensured a steady food supply for both farmers and pastoralists while stimulating commerce. This exchange system created growth and strenghtened markets. Then it also helped with fertilizing farmland and plowing.
The formation of cities, ports and towns and trade is directly tied to all of this among other commodities, with the main driver being agro-pastoralism.
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What we need is a coherent narrative that combines all this and shows how pastoralism and urbanism are inseparable. We also need more materials both manuscripts and archeological evidence. This should all put into a simplified pop history book with lots of pictures of old towns and sufi tombs for emphasis. Then as long as this new narrative with all this evidence is spread people will forget the old one.
Madhibaan is a Somali clan name they claim descent from Hawiye and Tumaal is an umbrella occupational name for blacksmiths the clans that fall under them can come from various Darood , Hawiye or Isaaq and Raxanweyn clans.
Somali Aqili lineage tradition isn't about Arab identity, its about drawing oneself closer to Islam. Dir claim that same line descent as well.
Bantu's are a separate linguistic group that emerged in central africa. They weren't even in East Africa 2000 years ago.
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I know we have a rich, old history that no one can erase no matter how hard they try to erase it. I'm also very happy that very soon the world will have a powerful AI which will be capable to do the scientific and the archeology research in any part of the world to figure out the history and the stablishment of a nation.
I'm just waiting the day that the AI take over doing researchs and analyzing of events. Human researchers are known to have motives to hide the truth discovery of a research.
I'm just waiting the day that the AI take over doing researchs and analyzing of events. Human researchers are known to have motives to hide the truth discovery of a research.
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I even forgot to mention. They even used livestock to make paper to write like parchment and leather book covers for example, so pastoralism even fueled the manuscript production industry. This is not to say Somalis didn't craft with other materials, they even made writing paper out of certain trees as someone else shared before but it is to show that it was part and parcel that drove urban industry.
I agree what you are saying. Inshallah that will happen soon.
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One of the moments that clicked a lot of things for me is when I realize if goods in the horn of africa were mainly transported on the backs of camels. Then that would imply that only people who owned camels who could carry out trade and since the afar were only active in the afar triangle the only logical concluson was that trade in the horn of africa was mainly carried out by Somalis. This is born out by the intense urbanism we see in somali inhabited areas vs everywhere else.
There is a sort of direct term for nomad that I know of. It's "Reer Guuraa", "the people of the move". But what I find interesting about it is that it sounds like any other societal strata or occupation like Reer Magaal, the people of the city, or the more generalized Reer Miyi, the people of the countryside.
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