Yes it should plus china's enroachment should be curbed and heavely taxed
Somalia Never made a great political choices
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Just be friends with america to enforce it with their navy and no one will think about declare war on us despite the fools from nabar & naxdin sellin our fishing rights to dajjal's children for a million
Why can't the current administration think about these kind of solutions
Do not know why but if they do it would be really benefical for us all
That isn’t international law at all.
International law states that countries that rely on the crucial trade route for their exports/imports cannot have it cut off by another country.
If we call these waters “Somali waters”....then we’re effectively cutting off Eritrea/Sudan/Djibouti from global trade, as they use this passage to export products.
What are we gonna do, FORCE the Eritreans to pay some bullshit tax?
By that definition it CANNOT be Somali waters, as the Red Sea is international.
We wont block dem Nations off. we will work togheter on it.
What a stupid post
Eritrea or Sudan or any other intelligent country would never allow their naval fate to be decided by a foreign country. Like it or not, Somalis have ZERO claim to the waters of the Red Sea. That’s international territory. Live with it
It will be a group of nations. And it is right now in the making. That's why ethiopia and kenya want to counter it with their own navy.
The United States Navy ENSURES that all countries and corporations have free access to the ocean.
No country can just come in and shut off entire sea lanes, this has never happened since WW2.
For all the criticism against the US, their “open-ocean” policy has led to an explosion of international trade and prosperity. The world relies on these shipping lanes to be free and safe. And if Somalis want to regress back to the olden days, when rogue states and pirates would threaten shipping routes, then they deserve war. It’s that simple.
Under no circumstances should the oceans be closed off. No country in the word does it, so why the f*ck should Somalia get started on that? Your thread title is so accurate because it applies to idiotic and arrogant Somalis such as yourself. You think you can just get something for nothing, that because you’re “nearby” the Red Sea that you should extort countries to pass your waters.
I promise you, these actions WILL start a global war and Somalis will deserve the beating they would get. You don’t deserve to have a Navy, you haven’t proven yourselves responsible of being able to handle one.
No country can just come in and shut off entire sea lanes, this has never happened since WW2.
For all the criticism against the US, their “open-ocean” policy has led to an explosion of international trade and prosperity. The world relies on these shipping lanes to be free and safe. And if Somalis want to regress back to the olden days, when rogue states and pirates would threaten shipping routes, then they deserve war. It’s that simple.
Under no circumstances should the oceans be closed off. No country in the word does it, so why the f*ck should Somalia get started on that? Your thread title is so accurate because it applies to idiotic and arrogant Somalis such as yourself. You think you can just get something for nothing, that because you’re “nearby” the Red Sea that you should extort countries to pass your waters.
I promise you, these actions WILL start a global war and Somalis will deserve the beating they would get. You don’t deserve to have a Navy, you haven’t proven yourselves responsible of being able to handle one.
Notice how whenever you ask some Somalis, even well-to-do Somalis, what they strive for, it’s always the same thing. They want to retire in some beach house, perhaps manage a small garden or something, and relax all day with their millions of dollars.
No ambition, no sense of purpose, no willingness to create something new. We see White people going on missions to Outer Space yet these idiot Somalis want to have a Navy that extorts foreigners 25% just for passing by their waters.
And what do they plan on doing with all those billions of dollars? Retire of course. Relax. Have multiple kids while lounging around all day as those Europeans and Chinese pay you free money.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
No ambition, no sense of purpose, no willingness to create something new. We see White people going on missions to Outer Space yet these idiot Somalis want to have a Navy that extorts foreigners 25% just for passing by their waters.
And what do they plan on doing with all those billions of dollars? Retire of course. Relax. Have multiple kids while lounging around all day as those Europeans and Chinese pay you free money.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Maintaining the gulfof berbera is pricy you use it you pay toll as simple as that
No maintenance is needed, stop the lies
If you can’t finance your own Navy, then you don’t deserve one. If Somalia wants to be able to export their own products, then they shouldn’t restrict shipping lanes from other countries.
And if Somalia tries something stupid, then all of the nations in the world will team up together to fight this menace.
You don’t own the fucking ocean. It doesn’t belong to you, the fact that you’re even proposing this shows that many Somalis aren’t too bright.
Lol saying that with a straight face shows how dangerous the Geeljire is to the global order.
The international community probably started to find clues of how random we are when we tried to play two super powers against each other during the Cold war.
It's probably in the IC's interest to ensure that Somalia never stands up again.
Stupid shit like this is why we can't have anything nice.
Imagine if Somalia actually had a strong Navy and Air Force. They would be a menace to the global order, starting shit with different countries for no reason.
Somalis don’t deserve to have a powerful military, they’re far too irresponsible. If the opinions on this topic are what Somalis actually believe, then I fear for the future of Somalia. Might as well get it over with and have Ethiopia just annex the whole place.
Hell we can use our ports for revenue but if you pass our waters like you can see the coast close. You gots to pay up. Try coming with your boat to rotterdam and see what will happen. The region of the red sea is being bullied because it cannot defend it self simple as that. Do not outsource the issues by saying we cannot claim our waters. Saaxib those waters where claimen for thousands of years by us. We fought of other nations mainly europeans to keep the rights of the waters. Stop spreading this bullshit
Dude, if you’re from the diaspora, and you were raised in the West....and you STILL think like this, then I fear for Somalia’s future.
Countries aren’t all in the same position you idiot. You see American ships pass nearby Spain all the time, without being taxed. You see Canadian ships pass by China and Vietnam without being taxed. You see British ships pass by United Arab Emirates and they’re never taxed. You don’t tax ships passing through crucial and strategic shipping lanes, you leave them alone. Even if they might “technically” be near Somali waters....the waters must be made international to prevent Somalia from extorting the rest of the world.
Hence why the Turks never close off the Bosporus Strait...even though they’re fully capable. That water body is Eastern Europe’s only access to the Mediterranean Sea. Turkey has NO RIGHT to shut down that waterway. If they did, Russia would declare war immediately.
Countries aren’t all in the same position you idiot. You see American ships pass nearby Spain all the time, without being taxed. You see Canadian ships pass by China and Vietnam without being taxed. You see British ships pass by United Arab Emirates and they’re never taxed. You don’t tax ships passing through crucial and strategic shipping lanes, you leave them alone. Even if they might “technically” be near Somali waters....the waters must be made international to prevent Somalia from extorting the rest of the world.
Hence why the Turks never close off the Bosporus Strait...even though they’re fully capable. That water body is Eastern Europe’s only access to the Mediterranean Sea. Turkey has NO RIGHT to shut down that waterway. If they did, Russia would declare war immediately.
Trying to find the reason behind our dumb choices.
Maybe it's our democratic decision making tradition that gets us to shoot ourselves in the foot.
That might work if everyone in the room is the best of what your country had to offer (I.e. highly competent senior statesmen and advisors) but instead it was usually an average group of people with an average IQ of 68.
Back in the day of Siad Barre I doubt most the people in his cabinet got there through merit.
Populism will be death of us.
It got to start another war with Ethiopia when we weren't ready.
It probably also the reason why we never were able to build long lasting civilizations since clan based decisions are fickle and depends on whoever is popular at the moment.
If you do not believe me, rent a boat and visit nations waters. It does not matter if the waters are used for transport or pleasure. You will be welcomed by the navy. If you name it taxation ofcourse it won't work. But if you play the game like the western nations it will work just like how it works for them. Sometimes i do realy think that our diaspora has some issues with intelligence or logically thinking
I completely agree. Instead of deferring to the intelligent members of the community, Somalis prefer to have opinions on stuff they know NOTHING about. It’s this low IQ mixed with unwavering confidence, which is a very dangerous combination. Ilhan Omar for example, isn’t on the same level as some of her Congressional counterparts, yet she’s the face of the Somali community in America. Complete mediocrity.
Even during Somalia’s heyday in the 1970s, the Government was filled with incompetent fools who had to be guided in their decision-making by Soviet or American advisors. Yet Somalis want to brag about being the “Lions of Africa” while they flew donated Russian airplanes and donated ships.
Yet your grammar and sentence structure is appalling. I don’t mind some spelling errors, but you take it to another level.
Ships pass by other nations all the time, and they inform the country that they’ll be passing by their waters. But no country can just shut off a sea lane. It does not work like that. Somalia leads to the Suez Canal, the most important trade route in the world. And if Somalia stops ships from entering the Suez, Egypt WILL declare war on Somalia.
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