Somalia 's new security plan

[merka]

He is from Djibouti not from SL even , but he is wishing evil and war at the innocent people while his relatives live comfortably in Djibouti and west. Selfish man!!!

I have family living in Somaliland and Djibouti

Go take your bullshit back to somnet

 

[Burhan]

He is from Djibouti not from SL even , but he is wishing evil and war at the innocent people while his relatives live comfortably in Djibouti and west. Selfish man!!!

Just like how diaspora Somalis are more clanist bigots than Somalis back home, waa la yaab. Intay caydh kawada dhargeen ay qabiil nagu waaleen.


My apologies to the noble Isaqs.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Somalis lost their braincells after colonialism.

They really think that the same people who destabilised the country, are going to help build a National Army.

What a wonderful fantasy.

They are going to arm and train soldiers thus reviving a Muslim country in a strategic geopolitical location? Sure. Haaheey.

Have you guys heard of a country called Iraq? Or a country called Libya?

Or are they going to "revive" those countries too and build unified armies for them.


The "International community" will help us build a National Army like they help us with illegal fishing and piracy.
Or do you guys also believe that they're in our waters to help our fishermen and stop corporations from dumping illegal waste.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

This is like how the US vasectomized Japan's military by only allowing it to have defensive capability.

^ Yep.

Whatever the final result is, it will be as useless as an army comprised of boy scouts armed with slingshots.


Once a country disintegrates like Somalia and is in the same geopolitical location, it will forever be in that state. No, our AKHI neighbours don't give a shit about Somalia!

Somalis actually think Turkey is their friend. Not realising that Turkey has its own self-serving interests at heart. But you can buy your average naive Somali with a shiny hospital and flowery words.

Countries are as soulless and self-serving as evil corporations, in fact, even more so!

 

[Burhan]

Somalis lost their braincells after colonialism.

They really think that the same people who destabilised the country, are going to help build a National Army.

What a wonderful fantasy.

They are going to arm and train soldiers thus reviving a Muslim country in a strategic geopolitical location? Sure. Haaheey.

Have you guys heard of a country called Iraq? Or a country called Libya?

Or are they going to "revive" those countries too and build unified armies for them.


The "International community" will help us build a National Army like they help us with illegal fishing and piracy.
Or do you guys also believe that they're in our waters to help our fishermen and stop corporations from dumping illegal waste.

Why don't you support the Somali effort then and stop your clan nonsense in other parts of the forum yaa queen? And if you are single, bal sidee tahay isoo dheh luuqa, you would make a good wife inadeer.

You suck at politics. Let us do the right thing.

Bismillahi Logo qabiil dartii usoo dhagso waa la yaab, or you have alxamdu lillah in the logo? lol.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Not enough.

18,000 is a joke. We need a minimum of 50,000 men and a fully mechanized military.

I read the other thread about the UKs meddling in the reformation of the SNA, very troubling if true.

This reminds me of the West's derisive offer to support Somalia and our subsequent alliance with the Soviets.

Well... the Russians are still an option I guess. Maybe in 5-6 years time.

 

[MARAQ DIGAAG]

Somalis suck at :
1.family planning .
2.wedding planning.
3.govenrment planning .

The kneegrows who were born in 1993 now have full planning and yall still planning .

 

[Ferrari]

somalis are xoolo. Wars among us should be yesterday's news, it should never happen again. We should build our army only to defend ourselves/territories and to take out our enemies if needed. Why would you guys want to waste money and lives fighting other somalis which only weaken you?

 

[waraabe]

Darod crying too much these days.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

somalis are xoolo. Wars among us should be yesterday's news, it should never happen again. We should build our army only to defend ourselves/territories and to take out our enemies if needed. Why would you guys want to waste money and lives fighting other somalis which only weaken you?

Xoolo? Or do we inherently believe that we are different groups competing with EACH OTHER for existence.

The "qabiil" is a nation state in the Somali world. Historically, we were not united or ruled by a common ruler. Yes, we had a united effort against the Habesha during Futuh Al Habesha, however afterwards, we were clearly under different Sultanates. The concept of "Somalinimo" is a modern construct which only worked during the efforts to free ourselves from colonialism.

That experiment was short lived thanks to a megalomaniac ruler who stoked the fires of our inherent belief that we are each other's enemies.

When we stop lying to each other and stop pretending there is such a thing as "Somalinimo", we may be able to move forward and form a union based on truth and pragmatism.

 

[Bahal]

Xoolo? Or do we inherently believe that we are different groups competing with EACH OTHER for existence.

The "qabiil" is a nation state in the Somali world. Historically, we were not united or ruled by a common ruler. Yes, we had a united effort against the Habesha during Futuh Al Habesha, however afterwards, we were clearly under different Sultanates. The concept of "Somalinimo" is a modern construct which only worked during the efforts to free ourselves from colonialism.

That experiment was short lived thanks to a megalomaniac ruler who stoked the fires of our inherent belief that we are each other's enemies.

When we stop lying to each other and stop pretending there is such a thing as "Somalinimo", we may be able to move forward and form a union based on truth and pragmatism.

No

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Xoolo? Or do we inherently believe that we are different groups competing with EACH OTHER for existence.

The "qabiil" is a nation state in the Somali world. Historically, we were not united or ruled by a common ruler. Yes, we had a united effort against the Habesha, however afterwards, we were clearly under different Sultanates. The concept of "Somalinimo" is a modern construct which only worked during the efforts to free ourselves from colonialism.

That experiment was short lived thanks to a megalomaniac ruler who stoked the fires of our inherent belief that we are each other's enemies.

And what do kenyans have in common with each other than than being conquered by the british and a colonial line? What do the Ethiopians have in common with each other?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

And what do kenyans have in common with each other than than being conquered by the british and a colonial line?

Who is talking about Kenyans.

I am talking about this myth that is peddled by Somalis. Why are we pretending that we lived in this utopia called "Somalia". The only united "Somalia" that existed was after colonialism until the fragmentation that occurred during the dictatorship.

Somalis were NEVER united under one ruler, or under one Sultanate. We co-existed and at times we fought each other. We are still operating under the same conditions.

Therein lies our issue. We are a fragmented ethnic group, we always have been.

Prove me wrong.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Who is talking about Kenyans.

I am talking about this myth that is peddled by Somalis. Why are we pretending that we lived in this utopia called "Somalia"and that it was due to foreign interference that we developed these divisions.

Somalis were NEVER united under one ruler, or under one Sultanate. We co-existed and at times we fought each other. We are still operating under the same conditions.

Therein lies our issue. We are a fragmented ethnic group, we always have been.

Prove me wrong.

The Ajuuran ruled over the whole of Southern Somalia, Central Somalia and most of Eastern Ethiopia. The Shabelle river, Jubba river, all the coastal regions, Muqdisho, they dominated the whole bloody Indian Ocean. Even the nomadic clans within these regions were ruled by the Ajuurans and were taxed. This was over 500 years ago, let alone now. So what exactly do you mean Somalis were never united under one ruler when one clan ruled Somalis for centuries?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The Ajuuran ruled over the whole of Southern Somalia, Central Somalia and most of Eastern Ethiopia. The Shabelle river, Jubba river, all the coastal regions, Muqdisho, they ruled the whole Indian Ocean. This was over 500 years ago, let alone now. So what exactly do you mean Somalis were never united under one ruler when one clan ruled Somalis for centuries?

Did you even read what you wrote. You said the Ajuuraan ruled over parts of Somalia but you forgot to mention the North-East and The North-West of Somalia. You're just proving my point but you just want to be contrary.

We have always co-existed as clans or as Sultanates, at times clashing but has there ever been a Sultanate that spanned the entire Somali peninsula? NOPE.

Yet, we somehow want to be shocked that we are still fighting in 2017.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

Who is talking about Kenyans.

I am talking about this myth that is peddled by Somalis. Why are we pretending that we lived in this utopia called "Somalia". The only united "Somalia" that existed was after colonialism until the fragmentation that occurred during the dictatorship.

Somalis were NEVER united under one ruler, or under one Sultanate. We co-existed and at times we fought each other. We are still operating under the same conditions.

Therein lies our issue. We are a fragmented ethnic group, we always have been.

Prove me wrong.

One people
One language
One religion
One culture
One destiny

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

One people
One language
One religion
One culture
One destiny

But we don't share ONE history. Culture? That can also be argued to be diverse.

The first step to becoming cured is being HONEST.
Once we are honest about our history, we can move forward by treating the issues.

Disease number 1) Somali clans are independent "states" who hate and fear other "states" more than they do foreign countries. ( how do we combine these "states" and maintain autonomy: Federalism.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Did you even read what you wrote. You said the Ajuuraan ruled over parts of Somalia but you forgot to mention the North-East and The North-West of Somalia. You're just proving my point but you just want to be contrary.

We have always co-existed as clans or as Sultanates, at times clashing but has there ever been a Sultanate that spanned the entire Somali peninsula? NOPE.

Yet, we somehow want to be shocked that we are still fighting in 2017.

The entire Indian Ocean was Ajuuran, so that does include the North-East region. If you mean inland, then who is to say that Somalis even lived there at the time? And even if they did, what benefit would bringing them under a Sultanate bring?

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Who is talking about Kenyans.

I am talking about this myth that is peddled by Somalis. Why are we pretending that we lived in this utopia called "Somalia". The only united "Somalia" that existed was after colonialism until the fragmentation that occurred during the dictatorship.

Somalis were NEVER united under one ruler, or under one Sultanate. We co-existed and at times we fought each other. We are still operating under the same conditions.

Therein lies our issue. We are a fragmented ethnic group, we always have been.

Prove me wrong.

Classic somali indhoadeeg, they all know everything you said here is true but still in denial

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

The entire Indian Ocean was Ajuuran, so that does include the North East region. If you mean inland, then who is to say that Somalis even lived there at the time? And even if they did, what benefit would bringing them under a Sultanate bring?

Somalis are actually known to have lived in the North and migrated Southwards. No, the Ajuuraan didn't rule the North of Somalia.

I don't think you are grasping my point..

The point I am making is that Somalis have never been united and that the concept of "Somalinimo" (Somali unity/patriotism) only came about because we were ALL under the Colonialism threat. It lasted only for a little while before we started fighting each other again.

Somalis have always been in competition with each other and with other Africans for living space and power.