Somaliland Petitions for Statehood

[Lord Flacko]

http://unpo.org/article/19407

@Realwarya @waraabe

Only 1 million of 5 million Somalilanders signed the petition. Fucking Texas has more waaaaayyyy more supporters in both raw numbers and percentage for the succession from the US. And everybody knows that would never happen.



Somaliland will never be internationally recognized. A random Ambassador saying he'll think about it when asked means nothing. What else is he supposed to say?

 

[merka]

Only 1 million of 5 million Somalilanders signed the petition. Fucking Texas has more waaaaayyyy more supporters in both raw numbers and percentage for the succession from the US. And everybody knows that would never happen.



Somaliland will never be internationally recognized. A random Ambassador saying he'll think about it when asked means nothing. What else is he supposed to say?

Somaliland had a referendum in 2001 where 2/3 of the population voted. 97% voted for independence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland_constitutional_referendum,_2001

I guess you weren't born back then so you probably never knew. :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Lord Flacko]

Somaliland had a referendum in 2001 where 2/3 of the population voted. 97% voted for independence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland_constitutional_referendum,_2001

I guess you weren't born back then so you probably never knew. :siilaanyolaugh:

So Somaliland went from 1 150 000 people for independence to 1 million for independence in a 15 year time frame?





Keep dreaming Sxb

Number is just going down. Prolly the same fools that voted for in both polls. Give it 10 more years when they're all dead and nobody will be left standing.

 

[merka]

So Somaliland went from 1 150 000 people for independence to 1 million for independence in a 15 year time frame?


Keep dreaming Sxb

Voting is voluntary in SL. Not everyone went out to go vote.

Why am I even explaining this basic shit to you? Stay in school kid.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Voting is voluntary in SL. Not everyone went out to go vote.

Why am I even explaining this basic shit to you? Stay in school kid.

They went around and polled in every district and most cities and towns. If Somalilanders really wanted Independence they would show it.

Being lazy is not an excuse for the low number. Maybe you're just out of touch.

 

[Canuck]

They went around and polled in every district and most cities and towns. If Somalilanders really wanted Independence they would show it.

Being lazy is not an excuse for the low number. Maybe you're just out of touch.

Any person can make 100 emails and signed the petition.

 

[merka]

It was an online poll too?



Even more pathetic Fucking 4Chan can vote in the new name of a Research Boat to be Boaty McBoatface in an online poll, but Somaliland can't even vote past a million in an online poll. And since it's a poll and it was online too you know there's voter fraud because it's Somalis what do you expect.
Sad.

If it's not online too disregard this.

It's all hand written signatures. Read the OP.

Dont believe anything @Canuck says about SL. She just spits bullshit out of her ass.

 

[Lord Flacko]

It's all hand written signatures. Read the OP.

Dont believe anything @Canuck says about SL. She just spits bullshit out of her ass.

Alright. Already weary of @Canuck claims that's why I included the disregard part

 

[sinister]

If landers didn't want independence then the Somalia gov would welcome a referendum into the issue with international observers. This would humiliate the SL gov and put the issue to rest. It would legitimize their claim in such a concrete way it would be laughable for SL gov to persist. If they thought landers didn't want independence this would be the common sense thing to do. The fact that they don't and in fact won't even intertain the idea, let's you know what's really going on.

When the Somalia gov says they're happy to see a referendum in SL, I would for the first time in my life, take them seriously.

 

[Lord Flacko]

If landers didn't want independence then the Somalia gov would welcome a referendum into the issue with international observers. This would humiliate the SL gov and put the issue to rest in a way that would legitimize their claim in such a concrete way it would be laughable for SL gov to persist. If they thought landers didn't want independence this would be the common sense thing to do. The fact that they don't and in fact won't even intertain the idea, let's you know what's really going on.

When the Somalia gov says they're happy to see a referendum in SL, I would for the first time in my life, take them seriously.

Making an official referendum is already legitimizing the Independence claim that is held by a minority anyways. The US would never entertain the idea of a referendum about Texas leaving or not. And Texas has a bigger claim for Independence with many more supporters in raw numbers and percentage




And anyways pure Democracy is risky and uncalculated. See the Brexit

 

[sinister]

Making an official referendum is already legitimizing the Independence claim that is held by a minority anyways. The US would never entertain the idea of a referendum about Texas leaving or not. And Texas has a bigger claim for Independence with many more supporters in raw numbers and percentage




And anyways pure Democracy is risky and uncalculated. See the Brexit

If texas had been ruled over by a seperatist gov for nearly 3 decades and the US gov thought they didn't have the support, a referendum would be the go to move to delegitimize them.

The Somalia gov could even say 'we want a super majority of 65/75%' for independence to be acceptable to us. (Which is what I think anyway) rather than 50%, which as you say is risky (I wouldn't say uncalculated, the whole point is that it is calculated) because it can drop down to a 49% minority very easily.

This is exactly what Somalia gov would do if they were serious. The reality is that landers want independence and they want to deny landers their sovereignty. There's nothing else to it.

 

[Lord Flacko]

If texas had been ruled over by a seperatist gov for nearly 3 decades and the US gov thought they didn't have the support, a referendum would be the go to move to delegitimize them.

The Somalia gov could even say 'we want a super majority of 65/75%' for independence to be acceptable to us. (Which is what I think anyway) rather than 50%, which as you say is risky (I wouldn't say uncalculated, the whole point is that it is calculated) because it can drop down to a 49% minority very easily.

This is exactly what Somalia gov would do if they were serious. The reality is that landers want independence and they want to deny landers their sovereignty. There's nothing else to it.

If the Somalia Gov was serious they wouldn't cave in to a small minority of Somalia. The Bantus are a comparable minority so why shouldn't the Somalia Gov cave in to them too?

 

[sinister]

If the Somalia Gov was serious they wouldn't cave in to a small minority of Somalia. The Bantus are a comparable minority so why shouldn't the Somalia Gov cave in to them too?

This is not comparable in any way.

 

[merka]

If the Somalia Gov was serious they wouldn't cave in to a small minority of Somalia. The Bantus are a comparable minority so why shouldn't the Somalia Gov cave in to them too?

The Bantus never had an independent country that joined with Somalia in a political union.

It is not the same comparison at all.

 

[Lord Flacko]

The Bantus never had an independent country that joined with Somalia in a political union.

It is not the same comparison at all.

This is not comparable in any way.

They're the same size in population as the for-independence Somalilanders. If you're going to give a referendum to them then that sets a precedent for the Bantus to demand referendums for Independence or demand other things.

Either you want equality for all or you're just a part of the Somali flock who tries to push their agenda without any thought of others.

 

[sinister]

They're the same size in population as the for-independence Somalilanders. If you're going to give a referendum to them then that sets a precedent for the Bantus to demand referendums for Independence or demand other things.

Either you want equality for all or you're just a part of the Somali flock who tries to push their agenda without any thought of others

Somaliland isn't going for independence based on 'we are a minority'. This is like the Brit gov saying, "If we give Scotland an independence referendum we will have to give one to NI and Wales and Guernsey and .... etc." You never heard anybody say that because it's ridiculous. SL is not camparable to any other Somali entity. It hardly comparable anywhere in the world.
SL naturally cares about their own interest. And given the fact that Somalia gov just gave a state funeral to that war criminal, I hardly think it is time to accuse SL of not having any thought for others.

 

[Odeg]

If landers didn't want independence then the Somalia gov would welcome a referendum into the issue with international observers. This would humiliate the SL gov and put the issue to rest. It would legitimize their claim in such a concrete way it would be laughable for SL gov to persist. If they thought landers didn't want independence this would be the common sense thing to do. The fact that they don't and in fact won't even intertain the idea, let's you know what's really going on.

When the Somalia gov says they're happy to see a referendum in SL, I would for the first time in my life, take them seriously.

This would be accepting that SL "gov" is legitimate ruler and acknowledging their cause. For now there is no reason to even hold a referendum despite outcome. When the south is on its feet this discussion should be held but Somalias borders are not up for debate unless we are talking about expansion.

 

[sinister]

This would be accepting that SL "gov" is legitimate ruler and acknowledging their cause. For now there is no reason to even hold a referendum despite outcome. When the south is on its feet this discussion should be held but Somalias borders are not up for debate unless we are talking about expansion.

The SL gov have ruled the majority of the country for three decades, they have an army and hold elections. They have legitimized themselves in virtually every way they could without recognition, this is an unavoidable reality even for the Somalia gov. The seperatists of Somaliland are not a random little group with websites and big mouths that you can just ignore and say 'we needn't legitmize them', they are a reality on the ground.

A referendum would be the most concrete, quickest and bloodless way to settle the issue. It is 100% common sense. The reality is they do not think they will win.

 

[Odeg]

The SL gov have ruled the majority of the country for three decades, they have an army and hold elections. They have legitimized themselves in virtually every way they could without recognition, this is an unavoidable reality even for the Somalia gov. The seperatists of Somaliland are not a random little group with websites and big mouths that you can just ignore and say 'we needn't legitmize them', they are a reality on the ground.

A referendum would be the most concrete, quickest and bloodless way to settle the issue. It is 100% common sense. The reality is they do not think they will win.

And this is why there is deadlock. A referendum where SL gov can manipulate and control the process is not entirely something thats fair or something someone with common sense would like to see. Its known fact that SL bribes clans and clan elders to subscribe to their cause. Would you allow Somali gov the same opportunity? If not then then a referendum cannot be held at this moment.

 

[sinister]

And this is why there is deadlock. A referendum where SL gov can manipulate and control the process is not entirely something thats fair or something someone with common sense would like to see. Its known fact that SL bribes clans and clan elders to subscribe to their cause. Would you allow Somali gov the same opportunity? If not then then a referendum cannot be held at this moment.

'Ppl could be corrupted', is an excuse you could use at all times including the future. A referendum with international observers is still the very best way to settle the issue. The Somalia gov has had ample oppotunity to corrupt SLs quest for independence by bribing ppl to abandon it, they still have not had much success. In any case this is not a legitmate way for them to conduct themselves, I wouldn't consider it an 'opportunity'.