Somalis in shewa back in 13th century
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@Garaad diinle Argobba do you know anything about them ?
Garaad diinle
I read about them a long time ago and i once came across an interesting source that spoke of oral tradition of argobba regarding their origin story. For starters i just wanna mention that cerulli i think once wrote that there were a group of people with a similar name to the argobba mentioned in the story of the shewa sultanate in the 13th century. He then says that these were argobba that haven't yet converted to islam.
The argobba identity is synonymies with islam much like our somali identity. The two earliest muslim settlement is named shonke and tolha.
The origin story of the argobba at least these from shonke an tollaha lay in the the stories of abbayye kulubas and abbayye fäqi aḥmäd both of whom lived in the 13th century the same century that ifat sultanate was founded. Sheikh kulubas is said to be an arab that came from asmara and i remember once reading that he came from axum. I think this reflects the ethnic identity of the argobba who are an ethio-semitic group. The other sheikh named faqi ahmed is said to have come from zeila and this probably reflect their islamic identity since zeila was the gate of islam that converted many ethnicities in the horn of africa.
Garaad diinle
By the way. I was once playing with maps and writing various somali clan name thinking i might discover some hidden history or a territory that use to be inhabited by somalis a long time ago. One interesting name that came up when i was searching for hawiya is bet hawiya or house of hawiya.
I initially found it absurd and improbable that this could be about a somali clan i mean think about it, how can a somali clan be living deep in ethio-semetic land close to historical sites such as axum and adwa? Then while also looking at something else i came across this source about tall people named bin hawiya or children of hawiya.
By the way tolha and shenke is close to the historic settlement of ifat. I still think that there is no solid prove that they're talking about a somali clan here but it sure is a good thought that these people attribute yodit/gudit to a people group that were known for their height and named bin hawiya who also destroyed the axumites. The map that said bet hawiya is in the tigray region while the bin hawiya people is in the southern part of the amhara region.
I initially found it absurd and improbable that this could be about a somali clan i mean think about it, how can a somali clan be living deep in ethio-semetic land close to historical sites such as axum and adwa? Then while also looking at something else i came across this source about tall people named bin hawiya or children of hawiya.
By the way tolha and shenke is close to the historic settlement of ifat. I still think that there is no solid prove that they're talking about a somali clan here but it sure is a good thought that these people attribute yodit/gudit to a people group that were known for their height and named bin hawiya who also destroyed the axumites. The map that said bet hawiya is in the tigray region while the bin hawiya people is in the southern part of the amhara region.
Somali_patriotic
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What do you think about somalis living in shewa back in 13th century?By the way. I was once playing with maps and writing various somali clan name thinking i might discover some hidden history or a territory that use to be inhabited by somalis a long time ago. One interesting name that came up when i was searching for hawiya is bet hawiya or house of hawiya.
I initially found it absurd and improbable that this could be about a somali clan i mean think about it, how can a somali clan be living deep in ethio-semetic land close to historical sites such as axum and adwa? Then while also looking at something else i came across this source about tall people named bin hawiya or children of hawiya.
By the way tolha and shenke is close to the historic settlement of ifat. I still think that there is no solid prove that they're talking about a somali clan here but it sure is a good thought that these people attribute yodit/gudit to a people group that were known for their height and named bin hawiya who also destroyed the axumites. The map that said bet hawiya is in the tigray region while the bin hawiya people is in the southern part of the amhara region.
Did you hear about that before or something like it?
Garaad diinle
I think that it's natural for somalis to have had a number of settlement in shewa after all there were trade relationship between somalis and the land of shewa. Some even argue that ifat that was first settled by the ancestors of the walashama who were shuyuukh is also part of shewa.
There is even the mysterious werjeh people that have some sort of relation to somalis that use to live in the shewa plateau.
Finally in fiq or nogob that was mentioned in the 1300s, archaeological work found cultural similarities between those living in the somali region and these who live in what once were a strong hold of muslim sultanates in what is now central ethiopia.
This is clear evidence of long time interaction between modern day somali galbeed and the shewa plateau. In summery with trade and the spread of islam somali settlements in shewa isn't that surprising especially since many communities in shewa and it's surroundings claim to have come from arabia to zeila, even hadiya claim that their name hadiya came from the place they landed on which is found close to zaylac when they presumably came from yemen.
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https://x.com/jonessummer91/status/1701296089478078892?s=46
Damn i didn’t know we ruled shewa and converted lot of habesha into Muslims
Another W I guess
Damn i didn’t know we ruled shewa and converted lot of habesha into Muslims
Another W I guess
https://x.com/jonessummer91/status/1701296089478078892?s=46
Damn i didn’t know we ruled shewa and converted lot of habesha into Muslims
Another W I guess
Somali_patriotic
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Are gabal actually somalis tho brother?I think that it's natural for somalis to have had a number of settlement in shewa after all there were trade relationship between somalis and the land of shewa. Some even argue that ifat that was first settled by the ancestors of the walashama who were shuyuukh is also part of shewa.
There is even the mysterious werjeh people that have some sort of relation to somalis that use to live in the shewa plateau.
Finally in fiq or nogob that was mentioned in the 1300s, archaeological work found cultural similarities between those living in the somali region and these who live in what once were a strong hold of muslim sultanates in what is now central ethiopia.
This is clear evidence of long time interaction between modern day somali galbeed and the shewa plateau. In summery with trade and the spread of islam somali settlements in shewa isn't that surprising especially since many communities in shewa and it's surroundings claim to have come from arabia to zeila, even hadiya claim that their name hadiya came from the place they landed on which is found close to zaylac when they presumably came from yemen.
Do you have a strong evidence for that
Garaad diinle
Gabal were a muslim pastoralist group on the eastern side of shewa. I personally don't know much about them but here is what cerulli wrote about them.
As you see gabal lore is from the chronical of amda seyon. Alula was mentioned in the habashi account relating the nisba of the gabal people that is to say gabal chiefs of alula. Furthermore note that the names of the clans at least the ones mentioned in the chronical are somali names. Cerulli continues.
All of this is leading us to think that the relationship between north east somalia and the interior of modern day ethiopia meaning the shewa plateau was far more complicated than what we thought. This account is that of the 14th century but there is another source that speaks of the gabal presence in eastern shewa.
This could mean that the gabal a somali pastoralist clan originating from bari have been living in eastern shewa long before the 14th century so much so that they were considered native to their region. The mention of them being muslims might indicate that they might've come along side the movement of islam from the coast to the interior.
It's worthy to mention that in futuh there were a mention of harti a somali clan majority of whom are found in north eastern somalia took part in the wars against the solomonic dynasty. The fact that arab faqih bothered to mention their origin might indicate that unlike the other kombe the harti were relatively speaking recent arrival to hararghe. This might indicate a continues movement of population from north east somalia to hararghe and shew since ancient times.
They we wuz adal and change our wikis it's time we retaliate
Somali_patriotic
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If gabals are somalisGabal were a muslim pastoralist group on the eastern side of shewa. I personally don't know much about them but here is what cerulli wrote about them.
As you see gabal lore is from the chronical of amda seyon. Alula was mentioned in the habashi account relating the nisba of the gabal people that is to say gabal chiefs of alula. Furthermore note that the names of the clans at least the ones mentioned in the chronical are somali names. Cerulli continues.
All of this is leading us to think that the relationship between north east somalia and the interior of modern day ethiopia meaning the shewa plateau was far more complicated than what we thought. This account is that of the 14th century but there is another source that speaks of the gabal presence in eastern shewa.
This could mean that the gabal a somali pastoralist clan originating from bari have been living in eastern shewa long before the 14th century so much so that they were considered native to their region. The mention of them being muslims might indicate that they might've come along side the movement of islam from the coast to the interior.
It's worthy to mention that in futuh there were a mention of harti a somali clan majority of whom are found in north eastern somalia took part in the wars against the solomonic dynasty. The fact that arab faqih bothered to mention their origin might indicate that unlike the other kombe the harti were relatively speaking recent arrival to hararghe. This might indicate a continues movement of population from north east somalia to hararghe and shew since ancient times.
And argobbas claim origins from them
Does that mean argobba are somalis?
tyrannicalmanager
pseudo-intellectual
this ain't news somalis were recorded multiple time in shewa and the queen who destroyed akzum gudit the monster of akzum aka caraweelo was descendent of the noble somalis in shewa kingdom
Here the Somali nobles graves
For those who will scream this ain't Somali grave keep screaming
Here the Somali nobles graves
For those who will scream this ain't Somali grave keep screaming
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Somali_patriotic
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Probably argobbas hotepism claiming a pastoralist community called gabalb-but Ehtio-semetic
I mean they're historically agriculturalists and not pastoralists
Waa soomali gabal
argobba weren't Muslims when Somalis conquered shewa, it was recorded multiple times that shewa had majority pagans under muslim rule, shewa didn't exist till it was named after king of zeila, king of awfatI read about them a long time ago and i once came across an interesting source that spoke of oral tradition of argobba regarding their origin story. For starters i just wanna mention that cerulli i think once wrote that there were a group of people with a similar name to the argobba mentioned in the story of the shewa sultanate in the 13th century. He then says that these were argobba that haven't yet converted to islam.
The argobba identity is synonymies with islam much like our somali identity. The two earliest muslim settlement is named shonke and tolha.
The origin story of the argobba at least these from shonke an tollaha lay in the the stories of abbayye kulubas and abbayye fäqi aḥmäd both of whom lived in the 13th century the same century that ifat sultanate was founded. Sheikh kulubas is said to be an arab that came from asmara and i remember once reading that he came from axum. I think this reflects the ethnic identity of the argobba who are an ethio-semitic group. The other sheikh named faqi ahmed is said to have come from zeila and this probably reflect their islamic identity since zeila was the gate of islam that converted many ethnicities in the horn of africa.
Gudit was descendants of harla actuallyBy the way. I was once playing with maps and writing various somali clan name thinking i might discover some hidden history or a territory that use to be inhabited by somalis a long time ago. One interesting name that came up when i was searching for hawiya is bet hawiya or house of hawiya.
I initially found it absurd and improbable that this could be about a somali clan i mean think about it, how can a somali clan be living deep in ethio-semetic land close to historical sites such as axum and adwa? Then while also looking at something else i came across this source about tall people named bin hawiya or children of hawiya.
By the way tolha and shenke is close to the historic settlement of ifat. I still think that there is no solid prove that they're talking about a somali clan here but it sure is a good thought that these people attribute yodit/gudit to a people group that were known for their height and named bin hawiya who also destroyed the axumites. The map that said bet hawiya is in the tigray region while the bin hawiya people is in the southern part of the amhara region.
Garaad diinle
The picture is likely far more complicated than this. There are many clan confederacies in hararge and same thing applies to eastern shewa. Argobba and probably other ethnicities formed clan confederacies for protection. By the way today central ethiopia is home to oromos but the ones living in eastern shewa have a culture that differentiate them from other oromos. These oromo who go by the name karrayyu are camel pastoralist while the majority of oromos are cattle pastoralist. They even have qolxad. This might be the remnant of somali pastoralist that were absorbed into the karrayyu.
At first you might mistake them for somalis but these are karrayyu oromo from eastern shewa.
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Garaad diinle
I actually think that she was falasha but allahu aclam. Carraweelo on the other hand is a different story. I remember an english writer wrote a story of carraweelo and the somali story teller stated that she was xarla.
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Somali_patriotic
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Seems like many somalis were assimilated in HighlandsThe picture is likely far more complicated than this. There are many clan confederacies in hararge and same thing applies to eastern shewa. Argobba and probably other ethnicities formed clan confederacies for protection. By the way today central ethiopia is home to oromos but the ones living in eastern shewa have a culture that differentiated them from other oromos. These oromo who go by the name karrayyu are camel pastoralist while the majority of oromos are cattle pastoralist. They even have qolxa. This might be the remnant of somali pastoralist that were absorbed into the karrayyu.
At first you might mistake them for somalis but these are karrayyu oromo from eastern shewa.
Read once about a somali saint establishing an Islamic dynasty in gomma
