Somalis in shewa back in 13th century

[Cartan Boos]

Ethiopians are sneaky they named their country "Ethiopia" a name that originate from Sudan and meant to describe black people then they went on to name themselves abbyssnians another regional name used for horn of Africa they're the greatest history revisionism nacalaa, now they absolutely editing tf out of Somali wiki kkk

 

[Somali_patriotic]

this ain't news somalis were recorded multiple time in shewa and the queen who destroyed akzum gudit the monster of akzum aka caraweelo was descendent of the noble somalis in shewa kingdom

Here the Somali nobles graves
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For those who will scream this ain't Somali grave keep screaming
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Were those graves in shewa?

 

[Cartan Boos]

I actually think that she was falasha but allahu aclam.

She was harla, she has whole of abtiris and her name "arawello" has Judaism background as it's not her real name but nickname given to her as she stated to defend the Jews from Christians in wello, "ar"wello"

 

[Cartan Boos]

Were those graves in shewa?

Yeah I think

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Yeah I think

Proof?

 

[Cartan Boos]

Proof? View attachment 293147

Made some research and these graves are in afar land but they seem to be deep into Ethiopia, again Somali domination over danakil

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Made some research and these graves are in afar land but they seem to be deep into Ethiopia, again Somali domination over danakil

No bro, you were right
It's actually in shewa on top of that
One of them belongs to a walashama ruler
Here's the article

Le sultanat de l’Awfāt, sa capitale et la nécropole des Walasmaʿ

La synthèse des données si souvent hétérogènes de l’archéologie et des textes est le graal de tout chercheur travaillant sur les périodes anciennes de l’histoire de l’Afrique. C’est à ce problème q...

journals.openedition.org

@Garaad diinle
The walashama ruler was buried in a somali grave style

 

[Somali_patriotic]

@Garaad diinle

No bro, you were right
It's actually in shewa on top of that
One of them belongs to a walashama ruler
Here's the article

Le sultanat de l’Awfāt, sa capitale et la nécropole des Walasmaʿ

La synthèse des données si souvent hétérogènes de l’archéologie et des textes est le graal de tout chercheur travaillant sur les périodes anciennes de l’histoire de l’Afrique. C’est à ce problème q...

journals.openedition.org

@Garaad diinle
The walashama ruler was buried in a somali grave style
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@Garaad diinle what do you think about the article?
It's pushing some kinda of walashama non somali origins and ignored the somali style graves

 

[Farahslayer]

Shewa Amharas dress like reer miye Somalis. They wear our white robes and have our green and yellow belts to carry daggers. I knew Somalis influenced them but I didn’t realize it was that far back.

 

[Garaad diinle]

@Garaad diinle

@Garaad diinle what do you think about the article?
It's pushing some kinda of walashama non somali origins and ignored the somali style graves

It really doesn't matter what they think, what i value the most is their findings more so than their conclusions. Many westerners don't favour somalis and i've come across some writings that detaches somalis from the history of both adal and ifat.

The reason we know that the walashama were somalis is primarily due to their lineage. The manuscript of ba'lawi writing in the 16th century clearly points out the ancestry of the walashama. They're descendent from aw barkhadle who is an ethnic somali and acknowledged as such even by the hararis.

 

[Aurelian]

Ethiopians are sneaky they named their country "Ethiopia" a name that originate from Sudan and meant to describe black people then they went on to name themselves abbyssnians another regional name used for horn of Africa they're the greatest history revisionism nacalaa, now they absolutely editing tf out of Somali wiki kkk
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It is more like Arabs and foreigners calling Everything in the Horn Habasha, a name that is synonym with Semitic speaking highlanders. Think about it as westerner calling all east Asian Chinese. In addition to that, Al-Amrri who is being discussed here, never went to Horn of Africa.

 

[Three Moons]

Haters try so hard to remove the lamagoodle lords from the region’s history but everything ties back to us one way or another, be it DNA, archaeology, the historic polities, the extinct groups, the old manuscripts, the cities, the towns, it all comes back to us. This is why their main tactic is to focus only on the sobriquet Somali or Samaale, but that is clearly intellectually bankrupt when you peel away the layers and see all the deeper blood ties, etymologies, cultural links, etc.

Even the more recent Gobroon Dynasty didn’t call themselves Somali Sultans or a Somali Sultanate why would those a thousand years earlier be any different, especially if they weren’t engaging in Pastoralism and therefore weren’t a Somal but a Harla, a Tumal, a Zayla’i, a Mogadishan, a Madanle or simply identified as a member of one of the major clans etc?

 

[mohammdov]

It really doesn't matter what they think, what i value the most is their findings more so than their conclusions. Many westerners don't favour somalis and i've come across some writings that detaches somalis from the history of both adal and ifat.

The reason we know that the walashama were somalis is primarily due to their lineage. The manuscript of ba'lawi writing in the 16th century clearly points out the ancestry of the walashama. They're descendent from aw barkhadle who is an ethnic somali and acknowledged as such even by the hararis.

Where can I find this manuscript

 

[Somali_patriotic]

The origin story of the argobba at least these from shonke an tollaha lay in the the stories of abbayye kulubas and abbayye fäqi aḥmäd both of whom lived in the 13th century the same century that ifat sultanate was founded. Sheikh kulubas is said to be an arab that came from asmara and i remember once reading that he came from axum. I think this reflects the ethnic identity of the argobba who are an ethio-semitic group. The other sheikh named faqi ahmed is said to have come from zeila and this probably reflect their islamic identity since zeila was the gate of islam that converted many ethnicities in the horn of africa.

More about faqi ahmed
A somali man?

 

[Garaad diinle]

Where can I find this manuscript

I don't remember but i'll try to look for it.

More about faqi ahmed
A somali man?

I really don't know. There are a lot of sheikhs and awiliya' in harar and faqi ahmed might be also listed in their recored as being among the sheikhs that is said to have come with abaadir from arabia but i'm speculating here.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

I don't remember but i'll try to look for it.


I really don't know. There are a lot of sheikhs and awiliya' in harar and faqi ahmed might be also listed in their recored as being among the sheikhs that is said to have come with abaadir from arabia but i'm speculating here.

Might it be possible that argobbas were islamized by a somali man?

From what I've read Gabal are probably what made them muslims, they claim gabal ancestry
Or might be from another man?

 

[Garaad diinle]

Might it be possible that argobbas were islamized by a somali man?
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From what I've read Gabal are probably what made them muslims, they claim gabal ancestry
Or might be from another man?

Might be but nothing is certain as of yet. What i find interesting is the great mosque of nora found in eastern shewa. It was built around the 13th century the very same century faqi ahmad and kulubas arrived in eastern africa.

In regard to the argobba origin story, they appear to have a tradition or memory of them coming from the north all the way to ifat. Here it is.

 

[mohammdov]

I don't remember but i'll try to look for it.


I really don't know. There are a lot of sheikhs and awiliya' in harar and faqi ahmed might be also listed in their recored as being among the sheikhs that is said to have come with abaadir from arabia but i'm speculating here.

I was looking for it for a long time and found a copy, but it was poor and difficult to read

 

[Garaad diinle]

I was looking for it for a long time and found a copy, but it was poor and difficult to read

The one i posted while one could say it's hard to read in some places it's over all as clear as some copies of futuh al-habasha. I don't remember how i found it initially, i think someone on twitter shared a link but i'm not very sure about. I looked for it in gallica but it's not there.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Might be but nothing is certain as of yet. What i find interesting is the great mosque of nora found in eastern shewa. It was built around the 13th century the very same century faqi ahmad and kulubas arrived in eastern africa.

In regard to the argobba origin story, they appear to have a tradition or memory of them coming from the north all the way to ifat. Here it is.

So little of them claim gabal origins?
Doubt they would be descendents of pastoralist group anyways

Mentioning the great mosque of nora
From the article we have seen
It was surrounded by somali style graves on top of that one shaykh of the walashama

Was there a mention of who built the mosque? It seems to be the earliest Islamic structure in argobba inhabited lands

Will search of somali saints in that area
Might find something