Somalis must either unite or go separate paths

[DR OSMAN]

Inquistive, societies are broken up into social groupings, it's no conspiracy it's always been like that from day one. Tribes-Nation-Races-Young-Old-Political Party, this isn't something a politician creates, this is inherited from the people either through genetically or handed down through the times as culture. Yes politicians will manipulate these groupings for their personal advantage doesn't mean they don't exist and are not real. What world do you live in sxb? Did Trump create the anti muslim anti mexican hype in America or did he stumple upon it and use it to his advantage to get elected? Our politicians stumbled and inherited what our social class system is and its damn tribal and yes they will use it for their advantage but it doesn't negate the fact it 'exists' if it didn't then why are these people are running around tribal? why are black lives matter running around crying black power? why are KKK doing the same? why are muslims rallying behind islam? if these things don't exist then politicians cant even manipulate something that don't exist, no logical sense whatsoever.

Since it exists we need to address and I suggest start working on solutions rather then conspiracy theories.

 

[DeathWish]

Anyone who supports the division of the Somali people is either extremely ignorant or clinically retarded. If Somaliland becomes its own country, there will definitely (100%) be war. It will be either a civil war (like S. Sudan) or a war with Puntland (and Somalia) over disputed territories. In my opinion, Somaliland will win, but it will be weakened which will make all of us weak and susceptible to getting conquered by our enemies. Even without war, Somalia will still be weak and divided and will become conquered by our neighbors.

This is an image released by WikiLeaks!!! WikiLeaks has never released fake documents!

They said that Ethiopia and Kenya are willing to divde Somalia amongst themselves. This is the fate that awaits Somalis if they continue to fight each other. You would think that Somalis would have learned from their mistakes after getting conquered by Neanderthals. The Dervish State (Somalis from every clan) was able to hold back Britain, Italy, Kenya, Ethiopia, and other Somalis for 20+ years and it was just a bunch of Nomads (Heroes). Imagine an educated Somali populace that is united, we would be one of the strongest countries in the world.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Hows galaydh embarrassing his clan? So sitting with somaliland is embarrassing? You're a qabilist.

Btw once somaliland and khatumo work out everything your little mad max styled state will be the most underdeveloped.

Your a typical emotional wreck dupe, the types that politician's and colonialist love and adore, a typical colour revolution dupe asset whom all he sees or knows is petty clan politics never capable of looking at the greater picture, your the type that sits on street corners looking for Somali's to rob while ignoring the other races.

In that lengthy post I haven't missed out a single faux clan leader, the embarrassment section even includes an uncle of mine and our former federal leader but of course that peanut sized brain of yours is unable to digest that portion and you had to pick out Galyr.

Galyr embarrassment is for all to see his constant flipflopping and opportunistic streak in which even his own disowned him, like all other politician's he doesn't give a damn about his people, he doesn't even give a damn about the country as a whole, he was wanted by the kacaan government that babysitted him for a large scale theft of funds he run away with.

 

[Ferrari]

Gotta love these "there will never be reconciliation" comments. I didn't know we had oracles on this forum.

Either way, going our separate ways as clans would be disastrous. All the natural resources would be split up, and so would all the human capital. It would turn us into poor irrelevant clan states. At least as a unified Somalia there's a chance at greatness.

plus it'll be easy to f*ck each clan alone than a whole country.

 

[Arma]

This topic assumes that Somali's don't unite collectively because they care more about the clan sub-clan union, nothing is further from the truth here, in fact none of the politician's even remotely cares about their clan's, the proof is in the pudding.

The people in Siilaanyo own villages are suffering while some got together threatening to call for their own federal state, HSM didn't even say one word about his hometown of Ceeldheere under al-shabab despite being repeatedly approached on it by his own people.

Farmaajo never did one thing for the people of Caabudwaaq or Gedo, he even refused to attend their conferences before he was President, Abdi Weli Gaas made Faroole's dream come through by waging war in Gaalkacayo were his own sub-clan suffered the biggest causality and loss of property with 40.000 fleeing sleeping under trees.

He ignored all the elders of his own sub-sub-clan whom used to peacefully resolve conflict before by waging an unjust war under the guise of building a road, they pleaded to him not destroy their livelihoods, economy and making them IDP's which he ignored.

Sakiin is the dude that has allowed a 3 decade Ethiopian presence in his region to the point were it's difficult to get a Job if you don't speak the Amxaaro language, Ahmed Madoobe is doing a similar thing with the Kikuyu in Jubaland, so has Abdi Ileey whom massacred his own sub-clan for power and TPLF blessing, Ali Khalif Galyr is embarrassing his own clan, Qeybdiid/Guleed done the same thing.

This idea that the conflict is tribal is the greatest lunatic myth that is dished out for the gullible duped masses for consumption, these people are nothing more then stooges, puppeteers whom work for the interest of foreign nations whist filling their own coffers along the way, the only reason they get away with this is because of the gullible blind support of tribesman whom protect them for a mere pittance and defend them to death even on here, until this stops collectively we will forever remain in this abyss.

This guy and his never ending lies. Kulaha "40.000 fled".

 

[MadNomad]

plus it'll be easy to f*ck each clan alone than a whole country.

You got a good head on your shoulders

 

[Ferrari]

You got a good head on your shoulders

my head is on good shoulders.

 

[Arma]

Those that jump behind "Somalinimo" and "Wadanka" are without a shadow of a doubt, the most tribalistic. Please quit with the fake nationalism. Deep down, we're all tribalist, some are just far better at hiding it than others.

 

[Menelik III]

Anyone who supports the division of the Somali people is either extremely ignorant or clinically retarded. If Somaliland becomes its own country, there will definitely (100%) be war. It will be either a civil war (like S. Sudan) or a war with Puntland (and Somalia) over disputed territories. In my opinion, Somaliland will win, but it will be weakened which will make all of us weak and susceptible to getting conquered by our enemies. Even without war, Somalia will still be weak and divided and will become conquered by our neighbors.

This is an image released by WikiLeaks!!! WikiLeaks has never released fake documents!

They said that Ethiopia and Kenya are willing to divde Somalia amongst themselves. This is the fate that awaits Somalis if they continue to fight each other. You would think that Somalis would have learned from their mistakes after getting conquered by Neanderthals. The Dervish State (Somalis from every clan) was able to hold back Britain, Italy, Kenya, Ethiopia, and other Somalis for 20+ years and it was just a bunch of Nomads (Heroes). Imagine an educated Somali populace that is united, we would be one of the strongest countries in the world.

That image is from a Kenyan news site, it's not from Wikileaks. Wikileaks did say that Saudi Arabia thinks Ethiopia should govern Somalia, but Ethiopia would never want to do this.

 

[fox]

Your a typical emotional wreck dupe, the types that politician's and colonialist love and adore, a typical colour revolution dupe asset whom all he sees or knows is petty clan politics never capable of looking at the greater picture, your the type that sits on street corners looking for Somali's to rob while ignoring the other races.

In that lengthy post I haven't missed out a single faux clan leader, the embarrassment section even includes an uncle of mine and our former federal leader but of course that peanut sized brain of yours is unable to digest that portion and you had to pick out Galyr.

Galyr embarrassment is for all to see his constant flipflopping and opportunistic streak in which even his own disowned him, like all other politician's he doesn't give a damn about his people, he doesn't even give a damn about the country as a whole, he was wanted by the kacaan government that babysitted him for a large scale theft of funds he run away with.

We shouldn't have taught the hawiyes to write

 

[Inquisitive_]

This guy and his never ending lies. Kulaha "40.000 fled".

90.000 was the figure the UN gave (the people whom fled the entire city), I won't even post their site but get you a source of Puntland saying the same

Dhinaca kale xoghaya qaramada midoobay u qaabilsan Sooomaaliya Danjire Michael Keating ayaa isaguna sidoo kale yiri‘” Dagaaladii u danbeeyey ee Gaalkacayo waxaa ku dhintay 45 qof, waxaana barakacay 90.000 oo qof

http://puntlandpost.net/2016/11/12/...ah-u-daah-furay-shirka-nabadaynta-gaalkacayo/


I did you a favour by quoting just 40.000 since you falsely claim you live in 3/4 of the city and Galmudug is just 1/4, if we were to adjust using those figures that number would be closer to 75.000

This is what happens when your mouth is writing checks which your ass can't cash sxb, I did you a favour and you still come to me asking for a beating, I only deal with facts not hocus pocus pathetic folklore of Aabe, Adeer, Ayeeyo said so, wherever the truth is I go without caring about minute feelings

Unlike you I was following the events to such close details that I knew every positions and the inventories of both sides including the number of man involved in almost minute to minute updates.

 

[Jubba_Man]

It's funny how kids who have never seen a bullet and were raised in community housing on the government's dime in the west living in relative luxury have all of this hate in their hearts talking about "WE WILL NEVER UNITE!!!1111", while the actual people who experienced the horrors of war and bloodshed have long put those grievances aside and are prepared to move on into rebuilding the nation state.

 

[AbdiJew]

As long as the West is united, that's all that matters.

 

[mrlog]

There will never be reconciliation.

SL and the Issaq have gone their
Separate ways for 26 years.

It's liked a divorced wife constantly
Harassing her husband for another
Chance!

We have moved on,
leave us alone.

Walaalo what if some of us are Unionists?

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

Make no mistake. Iam the most diehard somaliweynist on the surface of earth.
Give me 50k soldiers and i will conquer somaliland alshababland and puntland

 

[The Cushitic One]

Walaalo what if some of us are Unionists?

They just act like somaliland Doesn't exist, and now they want to propose reconciliation?

Fact of the matter
is there won't be any union unless
Qablisim is eliminated.

Since you're a unionist tell me,
What can you're country do
To build a relationship ?

 

[mrlog]

They just act like somaliland Doesn't exist, and now they want to propose reconciliation?

Fact of the matter
is there won't be any union unless
Qablisim is eliminated.

Since you're a unionist tell me,
What can you're country do
To build a relationship ?

Qabilism or Qabyaalad ?
One is heritage and ancestry midna waa cloak of abuse/corruption and musuq-maasuq.

I say Horta purge all politicians over 50years or age.
They are all Duufle yaal.
Requirement should also be for all politicians who hold office to renounce foreign citizenship and disclose all personal assets.
Replace federal president positions with Governors or Mayors.
Rotating presidency between North and South for the foreseeable future with North getting 1st shot. Till proper fair/transparent elections can take place.

All war criminals and politicians who embezzled funds to be brought to justice.

What say you?

 

[The Cushitic One]

Qabilism or Qabyaalad ?
One is heritage and ancestry midna waa cloak of abuse/corruption and musuq-maasuq.

I say Horta purge all politicians over 50years or age.
They are all Duufle yaal.
Requirement should also be for all politicians who hold office to renounce foreign citizenship and disclose all personal assets.
Replace federal president positions with Governors or Mayors.
Rotating presidency between North and South for the foreseeable future with North getting 1st shot. Till proper fair/transparent elections can take place.

All war criminals and politicians who embezzled funds to be brought to justice.

What say you?

I agree the older politicians need to go.

Bringing the war criminals to justice
Would help a great deal in building
Some form of accountability.

I'm quite aware that ones QABIL is
Also their ancestory interms of
DNA.

I agree the first president should be
From the north to build trust.

However you're overlooking something,
The larger population of PL and Somalia combined, could you
Forsee them electing a Issaq
President? In all honesty? Their votes
Combined would ensure no one from
SL would take presidency
democratically.

Get rid of the ideology and hatred
Of Qabyaalad than we might be
Able to transcend and move forward.

At best we can hope to build a line
Of communication with eachother
And a sharing of resources as
Neighbouring countries.

 

[mrlog]

I agree the older politicians need to go.

Bringing the war criminals to justice
Would help a great deal in building
Some form of accountability.

I'm quite aware that ones QABIL is
Also their ancestory interms of
DNA.

I agree the first president should be
From the north to build trust.

However you're overlooking something,
The larger population of PL and Somalia combined, could you
Forsee them electing a Issaq
President? In all honesty?

I do not.

Get rid of the ideology and hatred
Of Qabyaalad than we might be
Able to transcend and move forward.

At best we can hope to build a line
Of communication with eachother
And a sharing of resources as
Neighbouring countries.

However I've been dismayed lately,
As certain people, who were from
Spot have displayed the most
Disgusting qablist remarks, I've
Ever heard.

I don't believe that we can reconcile,
I simply don't think it's feasible
At present.

Walaalo PL and Xamar would rather elect a Northerner if it means the other won't get the seat.
Isn't that how Farmaajo got elected couse MJ and Abgaal cancelled each other out.

As for SSpot you need to understand that it's like a Marfish/sheesha joint.
Would u really expect individuals with Deen, asluub and edeb to convene there?

 

[Von]

I agree the older politicians need to go.

Bringing the war criminals to justice
Would help a great deal in building
Some form of accountability.

I'm quite aware that ones QABIL is
Also their ancestory interms of
DNA.

I agree the first president should be
From the north to build trust.

However you're overlooking something,
The larger population of PL and Somalia combined, could you
Forsee them electing a Issaq
President? In all honesty? Their votes
Combined would ensure no one from
SL would take presidency
democratically.

Get rid of the ideology and hatred
Of Qabyaalad than we might be
Able to transcend and move forward.

At best we can hope to build a line
Of communication with eachother
And a sharing of resources as
Neighbouring countries.

How about a two house solution? the lower house being base on population and an upper house( the House of states) based on the former 18 regions and each get 2 seats. this way I think the north gets 35-40 percent of the seats in the lower house( House of the people) and pretty much have Togdheer and Wwoqooyi seats (4) and maybe one each seat from Sool, Sanag and Awdal in the house of the states.