Somalis should support eachother!

[Geeljire]

For Somalis to talk about building up the Somali community marrying other Somalis, spending money in the Somali community,educating the children in that community and supporting other Somalis is neither racist or uninislamic or women hating. It is collective self-preservation and good common sense.

And yes i care about what other Somalis do, unlike some of you from the west i dont practice this vulgar individualism, ''Its not about let him/her do whatever or marry whatever'' That does not exist in my vocabulary we Somalis are culturally communal people.

We watch out for eachother, we safe guard eachothers interests and we condemn what we see as innappropiate. So that things of that nature which hold no benefits for us socially,economically or politically is not normalized.

As the Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: “Each of you is a keeper or a shepherd and will be questioned about the well-being of his fold” (Bukhari and Muslim).

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

@Sufiyan its all about individualism isn't it? I don't see why these people are so concerned about preserving Somali race, culture, language smh it just don't make sense.

 

[paragon]

@Sufiyan its all about individualism isn't it? I don't see why these people are so concerned about preserving Somali race, culture, language smh it just don't make sense.

It is natural to wish to preserve what someone is. For mixed children it is very precarious, as you are unaware where their loyalties lie. In rare circumstances they marry back into Somalis. However, most of the time they:
(1) Want to be a post-racial and ethnically ambiguous Muslim with no ties to any group.
(2) Identify strongly with their non-Somali side and marry into that ethnicity.
(3) Have weaker nationalistic sentiments than full-blooded Somalis.
(4) Are less likely to invest back home than full-blooded Somalis.
(5) Are more of a liability since the earning power of Somalis will be channeled to different ethnic groups and eventually into the dominant group.
(6) If their mother is a non-Muslim there's a possibility they might adopt her faith if the marriage dissolves, or become irreligious.

 

[Geeljire]

@Sufiyan its all about individualism isn't it? I don't see why these people are so concerned about preserving Somali race, culture, language smh it just don't make sense.

Oh! mankind! We have created you from a male and female, and made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.-Chapter (49) sūrat l-ḥujurāt (The Dwellings)

Surah Rum (The Romans) 30:22
And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge.

We somalis are a community and we should help eachother , speak kindly of eachother and marry one another just like other Muslim ethnic communities do.

Our culture and language is important to us and our development as human beings. You wouldnt tell Arabs to abondone their language and culture yet you are here telling us to. I dont get you Salafis who try soo hard to ignore the existence of racial and culture diversity within Islam & the complexities that come with it. Race is real in Islam and the purpose of race is a blessing to humanity. It is a gift to create a diverse and beautiful world.

I am Somali and i am muslim there is no first or second. Me being Somali does not prevent me from being Muslim nor does it invalidate it. . But it tells you i am a Muslim person who speak in a certain language, and have a certain background with certain traditions and roots. Therefore i am linked to a community which i am obligated to protect and support.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

But young somalis born and raised here are individualist and the society they live in promotes individualism. Somali parents do not care also to promote collectivism. I like and tolerate these aspects of individualism that dont go against the deen but it also has many bad sides.

The only one promoting individualism is you. What happened to the ummah being one body if a part of the body feels pain so will the rest of the body?

 

[angrycat]

If you care so much about the somali community, than do something beneficial for it instead of calaaling on the internet about who ina habalayo is marrying. (not referring to op in specific )

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

If you care so much about the somali community, than do something beneficial for it instead of calaaling on the internet about who ina habalayo is marrying. (not referring to op in specific )

Every men protects their women atleast us faraxs don't resort to honor killings like some.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

It is natural to wish to preserve what someone is. For mixed children it is very precarious, as you are unaware where their loyalties lie. In rare circumstances they marry back into Somalis. However, most of the time they:
(1) Want to be a post-racial and ethnically ambiguous Muslim with no ties to any group.
(2) Identify strongly with their non-Somali side and marry into that ethnicity.
(3) Have weaker nationalistic sentiments than full-blooded Somalis.
(4) Are less likely to invest back home than full-blooded Somalis.
(5) Are more of a liability since the earning power of Somalis will be channeled to different ethnic groups and eventually into the dominant group.
(6) If their mother is a non-Muslim there's a possibility they might adopt her faith if the marriage dissolves, or become irreligious.

@Duchess i think this brother makes a compelling argument.

 

[Geeljire]

If you care so much about the somali community, than do something beneficial for it instead of calaaling on the internet about who ina habalayo is marrying. (not referring to op in specific )

Then do something benificial? Oh my you know alot about an anymous poster online. What do you know about what i do?. I Merily post here to discuss and present info.

Honestly ive noticed you are defensive whenever someone discuss the topic of intermarriage , you come barging in highly butthurt.

I make topics about diversified things. Intermarriage doesn't even make up 5% of my posts.

So tell me what the problem really is? Is this personal for you?

Does it bother you that i want to promote Somalis to support & marry eachother? Thats the crucial part of a community without it there is none.

 

[angrycat]

Every men protects their women atleast us faraxs don't resort to honor killings like some.

The only women who are "you're" women, are the ones in your family. The rest you have a perhaps general obligation towards as clansmates or somalis, or muslims, but you don't get a say in who they can and can't marry, that's for their dad to approve of

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

The only women who are "you're" women, are the ones in your family. The rest you have a perhaps general obligation towards as clansmates or somalis, or muslims, but you don't get a say in who they can and can't marry, that's for their dad to approve of

If a random white man hits you in public & a farax was there would you expect him to protect you?

 

[angrycat]

Then do something benificial? Oh my you know alot about an anymous poster online. What do you know what i do. Merily post here to discuss and present info.

Honestly ive noticed you have are defensive whenever someone discuss the topic of intermarriage , you come barging in highly butthurt.

I make topics about diversified things. Intermarriage doesn't Even make up 5% of my posts.

So tell me what the problem really is? Is this personal for you?

Sorry if I sounded like I was directing it at you, you're really one of the more at least consistently passionate about somali culture I've seen on here. I was more referring to the general lies said about somali women all the time. It gets really old. I agree with the op, just think its really stupid how the same people who talk about this somali unity will call all somali woman trash the next day

 

[Duchess]

@Duchess i think this brother makes a compelling argument.

Does this apply to both mixed raced kids with Somali fathers and those with Somali mothers?

Most Somalis who grew up in the diaspora are not Somali nationalists, will not invest in the motherland, and many are post-racial Muslims or not Muslim at all. Let's not romanticize the diaspora community and vilify interracial marriages. People have the right to do what they want with their lives. You guys need to drop this attitude of expecting 'loyalty' or an explanation from these random Somalis about their life choices.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Does this apply to both mixed raced kids with Somali fathers and those with Somali mothers?

Most Somalis who grew up in the diaspora are not Somali nationalists, will not invest in the motherland, and many are post-racial Muslims or not Muslim at all. Let's not romanticize the diaspora community and vilify interracial marriages. People have the right to do what they want with their lives. You guys need to drop this attitude of expecting loyalty' or an explanation from these random Somalis about their life choices.

@paragon im leaning towards duchess side here, she has a point.

 

[angrycat]

If a random white man hits you in public & a farax was there would you expect him to protect you?

Let's put it in these terms: if I saw someone, anyone getting picked on, I would have a duty towards them to stand up for thrm if possible, just because it's the right thing to do. Does this give me the right to tell that person how they can live their life

I hope you understand it a bit better now

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Duchess I just clocked you said "not Muslim at all" in that case I disagree whole heartedly.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Let's put it in these terms: if I saw someone, anyone getting picked on, I would have a duty towards them to stand up for thrm if possible, just because it's the right thing to do. Does this give me the right to tell that person how they can live their life

I hope you understand it a bit better now

So basically what you're saying is that if I see a somali prostitute that I shouldn't care or speak against it lol

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Disregard my previous comment cause it was neither here nor there.

 

[Duchess]

@paragon im leaning towards duchess side here, she has a point.

You know what they're starting to sound like to me? Disgruntled African American women. The type who mean mug any 'brother' they see with a non-AA woman. Imagine being married to a non-Somali and random Somalis you don't know from Adam coming up to you and demanding an explanation for your betrayal. How would you react?


I can understand being emotionally invested if your own family members were marrying out, but a random Farah or Halimo? Why the hell would any sane person care? You don't pay their bills, you won't help them raise their kids, and you probably won't even be at their funeral so what makes you think you can dictate who they can and can not marry?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

You know what they're starting to sound like to me? Disgruntled African American women. The type who mean mug any 'brother' they are with a non-AA woman. Imagine being married to a non-Somali and random Somalis you don't know from Adam coming up to you and demanding an explanation for your betrayal. How would you react?


I can understand being emotionally invested if your own family members were marrying out, but a random Farah or Halimo? Why the hell would any sane person care? You don't pay their bills, you won't help them raise their kids, and you probably won't even be at their funeral so what makes you think you can dictate who they can and can not marry?

I wouldnt marry a none somali. I fucked around a brought a cadaan girl home when I was 17 & asked abu & hooyo lol lets just say never again.