Did you say Mogadishu?
Somalis should support eachother!
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yas/London
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My kids are not where am at Luv.
yas/London
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No Uganda.
my friend is there right now. He says its not a bad place but who knows since all he does is chew khat there.
yas/London
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Well its better than the UK and thank you.
angrycat
not so sad after all
I heard mixed reviews, but the few people I know who lived there didn't have a problem, and the ugandan government is more accepting of somali people than countries, like say kenya where they are antagonized.
yas/London
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Thank you, I have family there but I've never met them.
angrycat
not so sad after all
But I also heard ugandans (street level) can be mean
, so I'm conflictedyas/London
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Do you think I can deal with them?But I also heard ugandans (street level) can be mean
angrycat
not so sad after all
lol, I don't know, I've heard too many different things.
It's because Somalis basically own their economy and provide them with jobs. Their president really love us and even worship that rich lady Amina.
Individualism
eroding society! = zero community.
A great example , Super individualist society with an elderly population in poverty forgotten, because everyone is concerned with themselves. A society not concerned with family, which the population is aging and less less people getting married not making babies soon putting a dent to their economy.
My friend Civilization cannot be defined by the height of tall buildings, but only by the humanity between human beings. The word Civilized is often muddied with modernity. Modernity is a technological state not a status on humanity. Technological accomplishment have no connection to social development which constitutes civilized behavior.
The civil conduct between people in the poorest nomadic regions of Somalia are far more civilized than the heartless inner cities of Europe and America. The way in which neighbors care and interact with each other, looking after each others children is Somali humanity. Families responsibility to collectively share economic burdens is humanity. Modernity only describes the technologies which one uses. And often because of the glaring lights of the Western cities of the dammed.....
Ignorant people will trade their own humanity for modernity and think they are making progress.
Apollo
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That's a policy issue with South Korea in particular. It says nothing about individualistic cultures in general. South Korean social safety nets are weak while in the individualist Northern Europe they are extensive.
These cultures will develop sophisticated humanoid robots within the next 40 years replacing the need for human manual labour. There will be less and less of a need for a large population anyway. Collectivist countries barely contribute to scientific advancement and leech off all the advancements coming from Europe, North America, and Northeast Asia.
If you don't like economic based comparisons then there are tons of other way to compare. Education, social, health outcomes etc the individualist countries all outshine the collectivist countries.
Imagine if Somalis were to practice this individualism in Africa , they would not network and help eachother or be regarded as the entrepeneurial people that they are.
For instance takes this article as an example,
Africans not highly networked
Many small local businesses are also being beaten by Chinese, Pakistani, Indian, and Somali traders because Africa was until recently not highly globalised. These foreign traders tap into world-wide Asian and Somali supply chains and commerce credit, enabling them to import goods at rates much lower than most African traders can.
In Kenya’s case, with a large Kenyan Somali population itself, matters were further complicated by the fact that many locals felt that, especially in the real estate market, they were being muscled out by Somalis from Somalia or their associates who were investing money from piracy in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean, a claim that was never proved.
Then when the Somali terror group Al Shabaab started attacking targets inside Kenya, it stoked further prejudice and anger. Parliament called for Somalia Somalis who were in the country illegally to be sent back, and subsequently the government started sending hundreds of them back to Somalia.
The Kinshasa residents also resent what they see as the Chinese preference for sticking together in segregated communities, retaining the customs, habits, and language in their native land. The same sentiments are played out in other African countries not just with the Chinese, but Indians, Somalis, and Lebanese.
They hardly intermarry much with the local communities, don’t take to local foods, and like many immigrants everywhere in the world, stick together.
Yet, it is too early to despair. As the continent opens up more and the “Africa Rising” story continues to attract more foreigners, the present inequalities will probably even grow wider, and these tensions will reach crisis levels.
It is only then governments and and community leaders from all sides will get together and work out a new settlement. It’s only existential threats that force these negotiations in Africa.
http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-01...-anti-state-rage-in-africa-targets-foreigners
For instance takes this article as an example,
Africans not highly networked
Many small local businesses are also being beaten by Chinese, Pakistani, Indian, and Somali traders because Africa was until recently not highly globalised. These foreign traders tap into world-wide Asian and Somali supply chains and commerce credit, enabling them to import goods at rates much lower than most African traders can.
In Kenya’s case, with a large Kenyan Somali population itself, matters were further complicated by the fact that many locals felt that, especially in the real estate market, they were being muscled out by Somalis from Somalia or their associates who were investing money from piracy in the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean, a claim that was never proved.
Then when the Somali terror group Al Shabaab started attacking targets inside Kenya, it stoked further prejudice and anger. Parliament called for Somalia Somalis who were in the country illegally to be sent back, and subsequently the government started sending hundreds of them back to Somalia.
The Kinshasa residents also resent what they see as the Chinese preference for sticking together in segregated communities, retaining the customs, habits, and language in their native land. The same sentiments are played out in other African countries not just with the Chinese, but Indians, Somalis, and Lebanese.
They hardly intermarry much with the local communities, don’t take to local foods, and like many immigrants everywhere in the world, stick together.
Yet, it is too early to despair. As the continent opens up more and the “Africa Rising” story continues to attract more foreigners, the present inequalities will probably even grow wider, and these tensions will reach crisis levels.
It is only then governments and and community leaders from all sides will get together and work out a new settlement. It’s only existential threats that force these negotiations in Africa.
http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-01...-anti-state-rage-in-africa-targets-foreigners
@Amun
It's one thing for societies to have competitive indivdualism within their own country and nations provided that systems accommodate them. But its an entirely different thing if these same people apply the same exact individualism in foreign countries as immigrants. They would end up like AAs,
Koreans would not be establishing collective businesses,they would not be creating Language or cultural centers for their kids and they would not employ their own. Same with chinese, The chinese would not major in strictly math,science and technologies in university & colleges. They would not be told what they study must be relevant to them and their society who heavily rely on inovations as their source of capital. No they would say f*ck you and ill do whatever i want then complain when they are poor when they dont practice group economics or support eachother.
You said collectivist societies are bad because they are collectivist yet you argued that individualist problems in Korea is based on policies. Who is to not say that the problems in the middeleast and Africa etc is due to politics and bad policies and not collectivist culture?
It's one thing for societies to have competitive indivdualism within their own country and nations provided that systems accommodate them. But its an entirely different thing if these same people apply the same exact individualism in foreign countries as immigrants. They would end up like AAs,
Koreans would not be establishing collective businesses,they would not be creating Language or cultural centers for their kids and they would not employ their own. Same with chinese, The chinese would not major in strictly math,science and technologies in university & colleges. They would not be told what they study must be relevant to them and their society who heavily rely on inovations as their source of capital. No they would say f*ck you and ill do whatever i want then complain when they are poor when they dont practice group economics or support eachother.
You said collectivist societies are bad because they are collectivist yet you argued that individualist problems in Korea is based on policies. Who is to not say that the problems in the middeleast and Africa etc is due to politics and bad policies and not collectivist culture?
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