Some Somalis are now claiming Harar, and calling Hararis a fake ethnicity

mohammdov

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GaradShabeel said:
Kulaha Harar is an Oromo city kkk. Have you been there? They are a minority in the city.
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Yes I went to Harar Hospital when I was kid
The Amhara and Oromo are the largest, but in the out of the city there are beeraha qaadka most of it are owned by the Oromo
 
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mohammdov said:
Yes I went to Harar Hospital when I was kid
The Amhara and Oromo are the largest, but in the out of the city there are beeraha qaadka most of it are owned by the Oromo
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They are majority Hawiye. I posted this video several times. Don’t let the Oromo language deceive you. Watch till the end. He mentions many of the Oromo tribes that are Hawiye around Harar.


 
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mohammdov

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They are majority Hawiye. I posted this video several times. Don’t let the Oromo language deceive you. Watch till the end. He mentions many of the Oromo tribes that are Hawiye around Harar.


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If they do not speak Somali and marry from Nul And the rest of the Oromo tribes they are no longer Somali They are not part of the Somali region
 
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mohammdov said:
If they do not speak Somali and marry from Nul And the rest of the Oromo tribes they are no longer Somali They are not part of the Somali region
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They are bilingual. Listen to how the elder switches from Oromo to Somali. Some of them on the Oromia side claim Hawiye and Oromo while the once on the Somali side claim Hawiye and Somali. Dir, Darood and Hawiye etc are lineages that you are born with that can never change. Language’s however are easily changed. I can leave Somali and adopt Mandarin tomorrow.
 
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Step a side said:
They are bilingual. Listen to how the elder switches from Oromo to Somali. Some of them on the Oromia side claim Hawiye and Oromo while the once on the Somali side claim Hawiye and Somali. Dir, Darood and Hawiye etc are lineages that you are born with that can never change. Language’s however are easily changed. I can leave Somali and adopt Mandarin tomorrow.
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After the laftinga saga, these guys are Oromos until proven otherwise 😂
 
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Riftvalley said:
After the laftinga saga, these guys are Oromos until proven otherwise 😂
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What’s their to proof? Harar is surrounded by East Hararge. East Hararge has about 17 districts and we live in 9 of those districts with either majority or a large plurality. We also live in West Hararge in Mieso and Hawiya Gudina. Our presence in the region is unmatched. Here you see fellow Hawiye from Harage celebrating the Karanle national day speaking Somali in the 1st video while in the 2nd video she switched to speaking the Oromo language. Languages are useless. I’m not Anglo Saxon just because I speak English

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Step a side said:
What’s their to proof? Harar is surrounded by East Hararge. East Hararge has about 17 districts and we live in 9 of those districts with either majority or a large plurality. We also live in West Hararge in Mieso and Hawiya Gudina. Our presence in the region is unmatched. Here you see fellow Hawiye from Harage celebrating the Karanle national day speaking Somali in the 1st video while in the 2nd video she switched to speaking the Oromo language. Languages are useless. I’m not Anglo Saxon just because I speak English

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Somalis are the majority in most of the East?
 
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Harari's Cushitic substrata, as opposed to Agaw, is Sidamo. How?
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Sidamas had an expansion way before Oromos, somewhere around the fourteenth century. That’s why Sidamic kingdoms like Kaffa started during this time.

Now that you bring it up i theorise if this was the starting point of this expansion, the Harla region
 
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garangar

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The Harla however who founded Harar were an ethnic Somali clan mentioned in Futah and other sources. Primary sources and genetic testing prove it all.
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How do we know the genetic descendants? Have we found ancient or medieval remains of verified Harla people to compare? If there's a study I'd love to read it, haven't come across anything like that.
 
enda_el

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Riftvalley said:
Weren’t the Somalis and assigned their own leases and put into different battalions and they kept falling out during the war? I don’t think we can categorically state the Harla were a Somali clan.
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Thats not the whole truth. Yes, pastoral peripheral somalis outside of the direct control of Adal were conquered and then conscripted. But, somalis were also integral to Adal, and were in the elite Malasay armored warriors. the arab writer may have not been able to distinguish from the nonsomali adalites, but peripheral pastorals would have been obvious. The former director of oriental studies at the german institute in lebanon, Manfred Kropp wrote about this using Harari manuscripts. This is translated from German. The hararis wrote themselves that there was a situation where Malasays deserted, and they were called Ermag and Temur. He doesnt know what Ermag is. But Hararis then and even now call Somalis Temur. At the end of the day, we have to recognize that the Futuh was written by an Arab who would not be aware of all the complexities of social identities in the horn, so it should not be taken as gospel when addressing such things. The same writer wrote that Harlas were Somali, but noone takes them as such because of that. So why the opposite direction? @HabarSteven12 @Step a side
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enda_el said:
Thats not the whole truth. Yes, pastoral peripheral somalis outside of the direct control of Adal were conquered and then conscripted. But, somalis also integral to Adal, and were in the elite Malasay armored warriors. the arab writer may have not been able to distinguish from the nonsomali adalites, but peripheral pastorals would have been obvious. The historian Manfred Kropp wrote about this using Harari manuscripts. This is translated from German. The hararis wrote themselves that there was a situation where Malasays deserted, and they were called Ermag and Temur. He doesnt know what Ermag is. But Hararis then and even now call Somalis Temur. At the end of the day, we have to recognize that the Futuh was written by an Arab who would not be aware of all the complexities of social identities in the horn, so it should not be taken as gospel when addressing such things. The same writer wrote that Harlas were Somali, but noone takes them as such because of that. So why the opposite direction? @HabarSteven12
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Malasay commanders were called Garad, safe to say they were an elite branch of the Adal military with Somali commanders/soldiers mixed in with other muslims.
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