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According to Richard Burton who visited in 1855, Harar had a population of 10000 inhabitants of which 2500 were Somalis.
Some Somalis are now claiming Harar, and calling Hararis a fake ethnicity
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No Richard Burton said the population was 8,000. 2,500 Hararis, 2,500 reer magaal Somali, and 3,000 Nomadic Somalis who came and went
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Can you name your job since you don’t have any? Shaqolacaantaad tahay was
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This is from his book:
Notice how these trolls are always somali men with too much free time, no offense why are somali men so bored they resort to these behaviors online?
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People don’t know that many of the Geri, Bartiire, Madigaan (Dir), Gugundhabe, Sheikhal, Karanle etc have lived so long with these Habesha Muslims that a sizeable chunk became Hararised over time. Harar was a small unknown Somali village prior to its glory days. Hobat preceded harar in might and glory. Hobat existed during ifat times (1285 to 1415) and supported an alliance with ifat dynasty leaders. Hobat is probably an old term but its the region between Harar and Babilie, some folks tried to say its in the North of Harar but expert travel guides have pinpointed Hobat as the base of the Qundura aka kundudo Mountains aka Gursum and Erer Yaray. Hobat means the steep valley in af-Soomaali. Somalis are a minority in Hararge today because many identify as Hawiye and Oromo. I’m talking about the ones on the Oromo kilil. Hawiyes are the plurality in east Hararghe by a wide margin. The Hawiyes live around Harar but they call themselves Oromos. If you ask them, they will tell you they are Hawiye. In fact they will fight you if you say to them “ you’re not Hawiye”.
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Old Masjids are being discovered in the region (Hobat).
Harraris need saving, but first we need saving!
The horde must be defeated!
The horde must be defeated!
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Baabili elder mentioning all the Oromo tribes around Harar who are Hawiye one by one.
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You're right there were two types of somalis in harar, the settled ones that is to say these who were permanent settlers and the somali nomads who'd come during the trade season bolstering the number of somalis within the city. The special zone of harar has a number of places named irir hawiya and aw barkhadle which stands as a monument for the long standing somali presence in the region until the dereg regime.
Even among the harari speakers you'd find a number of somalis who've been absorbed into the population and no longer identifies as somalis. An example would be shariif adam ibn abu baker sheikh who was a scribe that provides copies of ancient manuscripts to foreign researchers. He even retained a number of ancient manuscripts in his personal library. He was kind enough to share his full lineage and here it's.
The lineage is somewhat all over the place but we can clearly make out the following abu bakar/abokar, ciise, ciise maxamuud, maxammud saleebaan which is a somali clan. There are other hararis that trace their origin to aw barkhadle which is a somali sheikh and there is probably more somalis found among them.
For his Somali identity to be questionable, he must first be Somali.
Check out this post which Zak12 created, in which he attempts to falsify Somali history by claiming that Somalis were slaves of the ancient Egyptians.
This is a falsification of history, since the ancient Egyptians, when they visited the land of Punt, did not say that the inhabitants of Punt were slaves.
The three falsifiers and haters of Somali history on the forum :
Banadiri Warrior , HabarSteven12 , Zak12 .
Can't forget HabarSteven blud tried to convincing us that Bantus are native to konfur
What does Barbara mean and what does Karan mean?
shutup you oromo this all happened cause of your people in the first place.
Oromo? Are you retarded? Grow up and debate like an adult!
Are you oromo?
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War is coming.
Hararis are medieval refugees from the Sidama region which was swallowed by the Oromo Medieval Expansions. This is why Harari,Gurage etc have a Sidamic substratum. The Hararis are not descendants of the Harla who historically lived in that region
That's correct, "harari" is a fake ethnicity. They are new group named after the city they inhabit and are mostly of mixed oromo and small cushitic groups etc, The Harla however who founded Harar were an ethnic Somali clan mentioned in Futah and other sources. Primary sources and genetic testing prove it all.
Weren’t the Somalis and assigned their own leases and put into different battalions and they kept falling out during the war? I don’t think we can categorically state the Harla were a Somali clan.
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