Stalemate over Tukaraq

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It's two weeks since Somaliland rolled into the Puntland held town of Tukaraq in eastern Sool region. The town was apparently captured without much resistance. As it stands now, these are the facts:
Somaliland is still in possesion of the town. Their official position is that they will move to their so called eastern border which is a few kilometres from Garoowe. The time lines for this are not clear
Puntland has mobilised it's forces near the town. Their official position is that they will not only recapture the town, but the whole of Sool region . The time lines for this are not clear.
Khaatumo or whatever remains of it is clearly out of the picture and has not been heard of in this issue.
The local Dhulbahante, as usual, are divided and remain pawns of both administrations where they are represented politically and militarily. However, they have no decision making role in the issue despite the fact that the major combatants and casualties of any war in this region will be Dhulbahante, as they are well represented in the two administrations miltias, and represent the civilian population of the area.
The Somali Federal Government has no interest in this and have neither spoken about it or indicated what their official position is with regard to this issue, despite the fact that the Somali President was an hour's drive from the crime scene. I expect that this will remain so in the foreseeable future.

In this case therefore, what are the possible scenarios with regard to Tukaraq:

That the status quo remains and Somaliland establishes a new frontier in Eastern Sool. If this scenario prevails, there is nothing to stop Somaliland from moving to Yoocada, on the outskirts of Garoowe after some period.

That Puntland retakes Tukaraq and proceeds no further, thus restoring the earlier status quo.

That Puntland goes beyond Tukaraq and restores it's border at Lebida Gaatama, on the outskirts of Burco.

In the short term it looks like the regional power Ethiopia may prevail on Somaliland to exit Tukaraq and restore it to Puntland. In this way, the issues between Somaliland and Puntland remain perrenial and a source of future conflict. This is of course in line with Ethiopia ' s aim of keeping Somalis weak.

A more lasting solution would be to have a regional administration in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn under the Federal government. It is a path that has been tried before, but has not succeeded because both Somaliland and Puntland have been averse to this idea and the SFG has been reluctant to wade unto this issue. Somaliland has also had the backing of the international community in laying claim to this region and these actors have pressured the SFG and Puntland to keep off these areas.

However, in politics nothing remains constant. There are new realities now that may reshape the old order in Northern Somalia which basically recognised Somaliland and Puntland as the only legitimate entities in Northern Somalia, thus disenfranchising the Dhulbahante and Warsangeli clans who inhabit SSC:

The SFG, despite its major weaknesses, is slowly gaining strength, both politically and militarily. This of course diminishes the power and influence of the peripheries as time goes.
Puntland may not risk a war with Somaliland, given the divided loyalty of their kinsmen in SSC and the economic and human cost of any war.
Somaliland is breaking at the seams as there is a clear and growing divide between the western and sections of the eastern clans. They also do not enjoy a clear loyalty by most people in SSC. The economic and human cost of a war is the same as Puntland.
All Somalis are tired of conflict, a political settlement is preferable to bloodshed. A new regional administration in the north is a win win situation for all. The only tradeoff would be the creation of another regional entity in the south to balance the clan dynamics in Somalia.

Let me repeat, these are potential scenarios. Given that both Somali and regional and international actors prefer things to remain the way they are ( stagnation in other words), since this confers considerable benefits on them, I think that most probably a pre Somaliland invasion Tukaraq scenario and retention of that status quo will be the most likely scenario.

Which is sad, because we'll probably be having this same debate over the same issue for the next couple of decades.
 

Oscar

Het beste uitzicht
Khaatumo or whatever remains of it is clearly out of the picture and has not been heard of in this issue.

All the Parties and money collection from the diaspora and this is how they ended up, not a Goddam peep:drakelaugh::mjlol:
 
I know that many of you think this idea is dumb and illogical but what could possibly go wrong if Somaliland and Puntland were to form some kind union?
 
Bilal,

It's not a dumb idea, it Somalis who are too dumb to explore such ideas. You've just introduced another scenario that more rational people would give a serious thought to,and that would be a serious option on so many levels, but we are dealing with pre industrial cavemen.
 

Grigori Rasputin

Former Somali Minister of Mismanagement & Misinfo.
Staff Member
Wariyaha SomaliSpot
From the looks of it the true scenario that's destined to happen is a bloody war where one of them will humble the other temporarily but won't put out the fire. It'll be a cycle that'll continue till both decide to come into the fold of united Somalia.

Laakinse take a look at the claims made by both antagonists:

PL: it's harti land and therefore it's our land

SL: This the colonial borders just how Africa currently is and what the AU agreed upon. If borders were based on qabiil then Somalia wouldn't have been scattered in 4 different countries.
 

Cotton Eyed Joe

More law, less justice.
VIP
Somaliland is the poorest region in Somalia with the lowest GDP per capita, it has a 90% male khat consumption rate they use 1/3 of their purchasing power on khat, it lost 80% of its livestock which is its biggest industry and it has water and electricity shortages everywhere

They have more issues than anyone else Tukaruq is a distraction and actions of emotional actors, not a cent of money should be spent on it.
 

Tjioux

the pussy is never yours, its just your turn.
Seriously mate let's put qabiil and other differences aside. I want to see serious answers based on rational thoughts.
its not an bad idea, Farole already tried that, SL and PL could unite and make the capital for example in Ceerigabo, this could work cuz the people in waaqoyi know the rule of law and kaala taanbeyn unlike the people in the south, but the corrupt politicians wouldn't want that because their stealing of money would end. And also they have been brainwashing children since 91 that they will get ictriaf etc and that other somalis are their enemy...
 

Lordilord

❤Somaliland❤
Somaliland is the poorest region in Somalia with the lowest GDP per capita, it has a 90% male khat consumption rate they use 1/3 of their purchasing power on khat, it lost 80% of its livestock which is its biggest industry and it has water and electricity shortages everywhere

They have more issues than anyone else Tukaruq is a distraction and actions of emotional actors, not a cent of money should be spent on it.
GDP per capita is not everything, Somaliland GDP is 700 million higher than Puntland.
 

Cotton Eyed Joe

More law, less justice.
VIP
GDP per capita is not everything, Somaliland GDP is 700 million higher than Puntland.

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Cotton Eyed Joe

More law, less justice.
VIP
its not an bad idea, Farole already tried that, SL and PL could unite and make the capital for example in Ceerigabo, this could work cuz the people in waaqoyi know the rule of law and kaala taanbeyn unlike the people in the south, but the corrupt politicians wouldn't want that because their stealing of money would end. And also they have been brainwashing children since 91 that they will get ictriaf etc and that other somalis are their enemy...
It's political speech it's not possible for that to happen. The loss is on Somaliland this isn't a big strategic win, they spent a lot of money bribing local militias and they will not get a return on investment. It's PR for a divided region Jeegaan vs Wadaniland and they thought they found a common enemy but when your leader has been caught on cam calling for tribal war you can't convince anyone you are a sincere leader. Somaliland will continue to be divided for a long time the road ahead is tough for them.
 
I seriously doubt there will be an all out war between the two. Both administrations are too poor to wage and sustain a war. As Napoleon said, the army marches on its stomach. It's all about logistics. Last year's drought in the Northern regions is still fresh in our minds and another one is looming as we speak. If you remember, both administrations struggled to mitigate the drought and its effects are still with us. If you can't feed the people, how can you feed the army?
Skirmishes, yes. These happen every so often between the various administrations or clans. There are numerous examples of this, and one is currently happening in Ceelafweyn. The minute the casualties exceed twenty, administrations, clan elders, and regional powers, in more serious cases ,intervene, we have the usual calls for peace and we are one people, we are Muslims,and the fighting subsides. Both sides declare victory, retreat to a safe corner and lick their wounds. Then the next round of skirmishes begin and the cycle begins again.

In the worst case scenario, this will happen in Tukaraq. In the best case scenario, Somaliland will retreat having scored a phyrric victory and show the world how peace loving they are and why Gambia should recognise them and Puntland will come back and man the customs house that looks like a pigsty and continue collecting their revenue.

Until the next cycle.

In the meantime, there is no effort on the part of anyone to seek a more durable solution.That's the real tragedy.
 

Merchant of Mogadishu

From Pella to Pattala, then back to Babylon
I seriously doubt there will be an all out war between the two. Both administrations are too poor to wage and sustain a war. As Napoleon said, the army marches on its stomach. It's all about logistics. Last year's drought in the Northern regions is still fresh in our minds and another one is looming as we speak. If you remember, both administrations struggled to mitigate the drought and its effects are still with us. If you can't feed the people, how can you feed the army?
Skirmishes, yes. These happen every so often between the various administrations or clans. There are numerous examples of this, and one is currently happening in Ceelafweyn. The minute the casualties exceed twenty, administrations, clan elders, and regional powers, in more serious cases ,intervene, we have the usual calls for peace and we are one people, we are Muslims,and the fighting subsides. Both sides declare victory, retreat to a safe corner and lick their wounds. Then the next round of skirmishes begin and the cycle begins again.

In the worst case scenario, this will happen in Tukaraq. In the best case scenario, Somaliland will retreat having scored a phyrric victory and show the world how peace loving they are and why Gambia should recognise them and Puntland will come back and man the customs house that looks like a pigsty and continue collecting their revenue.

Until the next cycle.

In the meantime, there is no effort on the part of anyone to seek a more durable solution.That's the real tragedy.


It seems this will become a vicious cycle for years to come. Innocent Somalis will suffer greatly, whilst the corrupt will continue to be corrupt.

Oh how far we have gone down as a people!

:liberaltears:
 

Bernie Madoff

Afhayeenka SL
VIP
So many ciyaals wishing and praying for the fall of SL :siilaanyolaugh::pachah1:
They will say anything to make themselves feel better after what happen to them and they aint backing there shit with all the talking they have done. I don't blame them. Desperate times kkkkk :mjlol:
 
It's political speech it's not possible for that to happen. The loss is on Somaliland this isn't a big strategic win, they spent a lot of money bribing local militias and they will not get a return on investment. It's PR for a divided region Jeegaan vs Wadaniland and they thought they found a common enemy but when your leader has been caught on cam calling for tribal war you can't convince anyone you are a sincere leader. Somaliland will continue to be divided for a long time the road ahead is tough for them.

Waddaniland versus Jeegaanland is of course the latest twist in the murky saga of the evolving politics of the north. I don't know what the Habar Yoonis, or Garxajis as they call themselves when they want to appear more formidable, are planning to do now that it is patently clear to them that they have been confined to the margins of Somaliland and have almost no hope of ascending to power. I think they are captive to the Citiraaf narrative, and this basically shackles them and prevents them from taking any bold or innovative action. They will meet a hundred times, condemn Jeegaanland a hundred times, and still hang around for more beatings. Habar Yoonis are between a rock and a hard place and they will remain there in the foreseeable future. In a way they remind me of the rhinos of Africa, endangered, lonely solitary, shortsighted and friendless. If they don't change the narrative, they will probably need special protection, like the African rhino.
 
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