Stalemate over Tukaraq

[Lancer]

This is only the beginning. The encroachment policy of SL will continue till the border is closed. One tuulo at a time is the motto. It's much easier accepting the loss of a tuulo or two than the loss of a whole degmo at a time. As for the hopes an internal collapse of SL(becuase that's literally your last hope) think again. The Duriyad can have and will have disagreements (that in time will be solved) but at the end of the day the unity and defense of SL is paramount. You had cirro praising the work of the national army and everyone in every clan supports it. One or two dissenters on here can't change anything.

SOMALILAND TIKDEM

 

[Grigori Rasputin]

@Weydamal you are woefully uninformed about the nature of the Somali xoolo. We are the one and only people in the world who have delusional pride although we are at the bottom of human development. This one pride that we have leads us to wanna fight on small "grievances". It is sewed into our traditions to be brave and fight. Seeking peace and dialogue is viewed as fulaynimo, a horrible trait to have in the Somali views. Blood must be shed first before ever seeking peace.

I predict a brief and devastating fight soon to commence where 400 will die.

 

[Bilal]

This is only the beginning. The encroachment policy of SL will continue till the border is closed. One tuulo at a time is the motto. It's much easier accepting the loss of a tuulo or two than the loss of a whole degmo at a time. As for the hopes an internal collapse of SL(becuase that's literally your last hope) think again. The Duriyad can have and will have disagreements (that in time will be solved) but at the end of the day the unity and defense of SL is paramount. You had cirro praising the work of the national army and everyone in every clan supports it. One or two dissenters on here can't change anything.

SOMALILAND TIKDEM

But seriously though, don't you think that we need to change our mindsets regarding the ictiraaf saga? Don't think we need a Plan B? I know it is sensitive matter for us, but don't think that we should at least talk about it without getting emotional?

 

[Lancer]

But seriously though, don't you think that we need to change our mindsets regarding the ictiraaf saga? Don't think we need a Plan B? I know it is sensitive matter for us, but don't think that we should at least talk about it without getting emotional?

Yaa tahay? r u a lander?

 

[Bilal]

Yaa tahay? r u a lander?

I am Somali, Issaq

 

[Lancer]

I am Somali, Issaq

Ok, then I ask you this, what would that plan B entail?

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

I seriously doubt there will be an all out war between the two. Both administrations are too poor to wage and sustain a war. As Napoleon said, the army marches on its stomach. It's all about logistics. Last year's drought in the Northern regions is still fresh in our minds and another one is looming as we speak. If you remember, both administrations struggled to mitigate the drought and its effects are still with us. If you can't feed the people, how can you feed the army?
Skirmishes, yes. These happen every so often between the various administrations or clans. There are numerous examples of this, and one is currently happening in Ceelafweyn. The minute the casualties exceed twenty, administrations, clan elders, and regional powers, in more serious cases ,intervene, we have the usual calls for peace and we are one people, we are Muslims,and the fighting subsides. Both sides declare victory, retreat to a safe corner and lick their wounds. Then the next round of skirmishes begin and the cycle begins again.

In the worst case scenario, this will happen in Tukaraq. In the best case scenario, Somaliland will retreat having scored a phyrric victory and show the world how peace loving they are and why Gambia should recognise them and Puntland will come back and man the customs house that looks like a pigsty and continue collecting their revenue.

Until the next cycle.

In the meantime, there is no effort on the part of anyone to seek a more durable solution.That's the real tragedy.

How does it show Somaliland is the peace loving administration when by all reports including their own their militia who attacked the customs point? The customs point has just been moved revenue will continue to be collected.

 

[Shaafici]

Pathetic that the opps can only scream "B-but we have a higher GDP, 2002 living standards!"

"Y-you somalilanders are behind Al shabab attacks on Puntland!"

Yet whether they calaacal or do not, we encroach further and further upon that unfortunate, disappointing and ridiculous dust village they call a capital.


Somaliland whipping Puntland since 2007, 10 years now.

How does the whip feel

 

[Bilal]

Ok, then I ask you this, what would that plan B entail?

First and foremost we need to watch out for Ethiopia. They are an enemy to all Somalis regardless for qabiil. Plan B looks like joining Somalia when the time comes.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Pathetic that the opps can only scream "B-but we have a higher GDP, 2002 living standards!"

"Y-you somalilanders are behind Al shabab attacks on Puntland!"

Yet whether they calaacal or do not, we encroach further and further upon that unfortunate, disappointing and ridiculous dust village they call a capital.


Somaliland whipping Puntland since 2007, 10 years now.

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How does the whip feel
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You literally did nothing you just paid militia men and they switched sides and now you are acting like Napoleon.

 

[Shaafici]

You literally did nothing you just paid militia men and they switched sides and now you are acting like Napoleon.

Listen son, we are not equals, until you are 70km from hargeisa, you shouldn't even entertain the delusional thought, who cares if we pay militias even the great roman empire was known for its disloyal auxiliaries, it doesn't make a difference, when a isaaq general like nuux ismaaciil taani stands 45 mins from Garowe.

W H I P P E D

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Listen son, we are not equals, until you are 70km from hargeisa, you shouldn't even entertain the delusional thought, who cares if we pay militias even the great roman empire was known for its disloyal auxiliaries, it doesn't make a difference, when a isaaq general like nuux ismaaciil taani stands 45 mins from Garowe.

W H I P P E D

It's like talking to a danyeer.

 

[Golden]

I’m interested to see what’ll happen next. Of course nobody wants civilian casualties so the two sides should abstain from fighting but it’s likely that there will be some kind of conflict.

 

[Shaafici]

I like talking to my master.

Fixed.

 

[yas/London]

Look just call the Jaamac Syiadd or the Nur Ahmed and it will be all done with..

 

[Weydamal]

How does it show Somaliland is the peace loving administration when by all reports including their own their militia who attacked the customs point? The customs point has just been moved revenue will continue to be collected.

This is the false narrative that Somaliland always peddles. By contrasting themselves with a supposedly more chaotic south, they pander to the international community. It's an old slave mentality, where mixed raced people believe themselves superior to their black brothers, and think the white man will love them more. The point I was making is that Somaliland loves to play this card and in the scenario where they withdraw from Tukaraq, they will milk this 'we are more peaceful ' card to the max. Of course, as you rightly pointed out, it's a false narrative. Hundreds of Somalis have died as a result of conflict in Northern Somalia.

The customs reference was statement about the peripheries of Puntland. It really shows how underdeveloped the few regions they control in SSC are compared to the core Boosaaso - Qardho - Garoowe - Gaalkacyo axis . It's not about whether the custom moves closer to Garoowe or not.

 

[Weydamal]

@Weydamal you are woefully uninformed about the nature of the Somali xoolo. We are the one and only people in the world who have delusional pride although we are at the bottom of human development. This one pride that we have leads us to wanna fight on small "grievances". It is sewed into our traditions to be brave and fight. Seeking peace and dialogue is viewed as fulaynimo, a horrible trait to have in the Somali views. Blood must be shed first before ever seeking peace.

I predict a brief and devastating fight soon to commence where 400 will die.

Sadly, you are right about the xoolo nature of Somalis. That's why I compared them to pre industrial cavemen. All they think about is the four F's, Fighting, Fleeing, Feeding and Reproduction.

However, I disagree with you on the casualties, if these skirmishes, or war as some refer to them, ever break out. Only shabab has ever inflicted those kind of casualties on Somalis in recent history. The clan/administrations war produces lesser casualties.

 

[Shaafici]

Look just call the Jaamac Syiadd or the Nur Ahmed and it will be all done with..

Why do you add jacayl iconography with everything, aduunyadu maa Titanic baad u haysataa, hadaad u haysatid markabkii badda laqday wa dadkiina

 

[yas/London]

Why do you add jacayl iconography with everything, aduunyadu maa Titanic baad u haysataa, hadaad u haysatid markabkii badda laqday wa dadkiina

Don’t watch me my younger Brother xx

 

[Lancer]

First and foremost we need to watch out for Ethiopia. They are an enemy to all Somalis regardless for qabiil. Plan B looks like joining Somalia when the time comes.