Sultan Ali ibn Yusuf of Mogadishu mentioned by Ibn Hajar al Asqalani

[awsaleban667]

In Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani mentions the Sultan of Mogadishu Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Umar ibn Anwar died in 1432 funnily enough Ibn Battuta mentions Abu Bakr ibn Umar as the ruler of Mogadishu in 1331. Can we assume that Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Umar who died in 1432 is the Nephew of Abu Bakr ibn Umar who was in the middle of his reign in 1331. Below is a coin of Ali ibn Yusuf which has been dated to the 15th century

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[awsaleban667]

Also could Zubayr ibn Umar be Abu Bakr‘s brother. It’s weird that we have no evidence for Yusuf ibn Umar taking the throne could both the above brothers have been childless and then Yusuf’s son Ali took the throne

 

[awsaleban667]

There is also a certain Sultan Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad who reigned 10 years before The Abu Bakr ibn Umar mentioned by Ibn Battuta which further complicates things

 

[mohammdov]

We do not know how old the ruler of Mogadishu was when Ibn Battuta met him. Perhaps he was a young man

 

[awsaleban667]

There are coins of a certain Sultan Umar who is called Al Muzzafar which is weird since Sultan Ali Ibn Yusuf Ibn Umar was called Al Mu‘ayid ibn Al Muzzafar ibn Al Mansur Which made me think that Umar’s title would be Al Mansur not Al Muzzafar this is all really strange

 

[awsaleban667]

We do not know how old the ruler of Mogadishu was when Ibn Battuta met him. Perhaps he was a young man

There are coins for Yusuf ibn Abu Bakr so maybe Ali ibn Yusuf‘s full name was Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Abu Bakr ibn Umar ibn Anwar and Ibn Hajar made a mistake by not including Abu Bakr in Ali’s Abtirsi

 

[awsaleban667]

We have just one coin of Sultan Ahmad ibn Ali could this be Ali ibn Yusuf’s son?

 

[awsaleban667]

There is also a certain Sultan Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad who reigned 10 years before The Abu Bakr ibn Umar mentioned by Ibn Battuta which further complicates thingsView attachment 317991

Is this Sultan Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad the son Sultan Muhammad

 

[Northern Swordsman]

I like how the medieval somali Sultans had titles such as Muzzafar, Mustaqni' Bil Allah al-Akbar, Mansur, Fakhr ad-Din, Shihab ad-Din, Sabr ad-Din. Unlike the traditional Kunya which many arabs and non arabs use such as Abu Abdullah, Abu Bakr, Abu Muhammad etc.

 

[awsaleban667]

I like how the medieval somali Sultans had titles such as Muzzafar, Mustaqni' Bil Allah al-Akbar, Mansur, Fakhr ad-Din, Shihab ad-Din, Sabr ad-Din. Unlike the traditional Kunya which many arabs and non arabs use such as Abu Abdullah, Abu Bakr, Abu Muhammad etc.

Sabr Ad Din, Haqq Ad Din, Shihab ad Din, Mansur Ad Din, Jamal Ad Din, Sa’ad Ad Din, Shams Ad Din : Adalite Sultan
Al Mua’yyid, Al Muzzafar, Al Mansur, Al Mujahid: Mogadishu Sultans

 

[ibrahym]

Which one is correct?
Anwar or Abor

 

[awsaleban667]

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Which one is correct?
Anwar or Abor

Al Maqrizi says Aboor ibn Hajar says Anwar

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[ibrahym]

Al Maqrizi says Aboor ibn Hajar says Anwar

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"""درر العقود الفريدة في تراجم الأعيان المفيدة"""
It is mentioned that Abor is not Anwar

درر العقود الفريدة في تراجم الأعيان المفيدة 1-3 ج2

كتاب في التراجم جامع حافل بتراجم اهل تلك الفترة من العلماء والمحدثين والفقهاء والشعراء والملوك والامراء والوزراء ، ولا تخفى اهميته لوقوفه على امور قد لا توجد في .غيره ، وكما انه يعد مرجعا توثيقيا هاما لتلك الفترة

books.google.com

 

[awsaleban667]

"""درر العقود الفريدة في تراجم الأعيان المفيدة"""
It is mentioned that Abor is not Anwar
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درر العقود الفريدة في تراجم الأعيان المفيدة 1-3 ج2

كتاب في التراجم جامع حافل بتراجم اهل تلك الفترة من العلماء والمحدثين والفقهاء والشعراء والملوك والامراء والوزراء ، ولا تخفى اهميته لوقوفه على امور قد لا توجد في .غيره ، وكما انه يعد مرجعا توثيقيا هاما لتلك الفترة

books.google.com

I know that book was written by Al Maqrizi Aboor and Anwar could have been confused

 

[Laser]

There is also a certain Sultan Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad who reigned 10 years before The Abu Bakr ibn Umar mentioned by Ibn Battuta which further complicates thingsView attachment 317991

Abu bakar ibn umar is mentioned by another scholar
His full name is Abu ibn umar ibn othman ibn haji isma'il
So he's not related to ali ibn yusuf ibn omar ibn Aboor (or anwar).

 

[awsaleban667]

Abu bakar ibn umar is mentioned by another scholar
His full name is Abu ibn umar ibn othman ibn haji isma'il
So he's not related to ali ibn yusuf ibn omar ibn Aboor (or anwar).
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How could he have died in 1327 if Ibn Battuta met him 1331

 

[Diini23]

Why are there names very Arab? Somalis don’t use ibn as well? @awsaleban667

 

[Laser]

How could he have died in 1327 if Ibn Battuta met him 1331

He wrote the book in 1480, i don't have the full book as this might be out of context or just confused dates.

 

[awsaleban667]

Why are there names very Arab? Somalis don’t use ibn as well? @awsaleban667

these are just Islamic names

 

[awsaleban667]

He wrote the book in 1480, i don't have the full book as this might be out of context or just confused dates.

Another one of these calls him Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Umar ibn Ahmed
This shit is confusing as f*ck