So they had Somali names?
Sultan Ali ibn Yusuf of Mogadishu mentioned by Ibn Hajar al Asqalani
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Those names are Arab not Islamic manAnother one of these calls him Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Ali ibn Ahmed
This shirt is confusing as f*ck
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Nigga every ruler from Mali to Indonesia used those names. These are the names of the companions
Are you low iq or do you not understand what a Throne Name is?
Regnal name - Wikipedia
Another common form of laqab is that of compounds ending with al-Dīn (lit. 'of the faith' or 'of the religion'), al-Dawla ('of the State'), al-Mulk ('of the Kingdom'), or al-Islām ('of Islam').[3] Examples include Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn, Shams al-Dīn, Nūr al-Dīn, Izz al-Din, Nāṣir al-Dawla, Niẓām al-Mulk, Sayf al-Islām.
I’m not low IQ I’m just not familiar with this clearly.Are you low iq or do you not understand what a Throne Name is?
Regnal name - Wikipedia
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Another common form of laqab is that of compounds ending with al-Dīn (lit. 'of the faith' or 'of the religion'), al-Dawla ('of the State'), al-Mulk ('of the Kingdom'), or al-Islām ('of Islam').[3] Examples include Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn, Shams al-Dīn, Nūr al-Dīn, Izz al-Din, Nāṣir al-Dawla, Niẓām al-Mulk, Sayf al-Islām.
@Laser @ibrahymAnother one of these calls him Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Umar ibn Ahmed
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Tawxiid Alle lahaw, Talo na Alle saaro.
Looks like Adalite Sultans preferred titles with ad-Din which emphasised on the religious connection of their rank while Ajuranian Sultans preferred more concise titles while still having a religious connection.
Hereby call me Fakhr ad-Dīn al-Hargaysī
It would be plausible if Yusuf was a younger brother of Abu Bakr, in his teens when Ibn Battuta visited and who might have succeeded his other brother Zubayr if the latter and Abu Bakr both did not father a son. If Yusuf then came of age and got married in the 1350s or 1360s and fathered Ali, the latter would be a grown man in the 1380s and based on his reputation in the Islamic world and the reach of his coinage, his reign was said to be prosperous, which indicates longevity, hence the timelines match and wouldn’t be far-fetched for them to have been related through his father.
We should be cautious though, as numismatically speaking the dynasty is not complete and more coins and manuscript references could be discovered in the future that would shed a better light on their succession.
If abu bakr ibn umar is from this dynasty, then yes certainly.
Actually thinking about it, Abu Bakr's father umar probably started this ruling dynasty as 1280s mogadishu was still a Republic.
Explain?
Ibn battuta says he was a barbar (old term for somalis) and that he spoke Maqdishi (undoubtedly somali as there was no non-somali language ever spoken in mogadishu by a sizeable population except for arabic which ibn battuta addresses as the sultan's 2nd language).
If he's from the same dynasty as the other rulers, it should be enough of evidence to support the view that they were somalis.
What evidence is there for the term barbar=somali at the time?
Arabic was the language of state. Just as French was the language of England's state. Persian the language of several turkic states like even the Ottomans ect.
Medieval English royals and upper-class spoke French and often had French names.
This is no different in medieval Somalia.
I think u meant the language of the ruling class as the average Somali back then only knew Somali.
Ibn battuta himself says the barbars are black people who follow the Shafi'i mad'hab, who inhabit the lands from zeyla to mogadishu and are geeljire.
Medieval Arab geographers divided East Africa in three parts. Al-Habash which corresponds with Ethiopia, Al-Barbaria which corresponds with modern Somalia, and Al-Zanj which corresponds with the Swahili Coast or Kenya/Tanzania. Some times Somalia was called Habesha too but for the most part Barbar was the term used for inhabitants living in Somalia.
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Berbers are Somalis and Bejas (and related Cushites that were either absorbed by Beja or Nubians later but were adjacent to Bejas in the Eastern Desert). Habashis were not Barbari, and Arabs made that discernment clear. So when you think of Barbar, it could never have been a Habash, only people who lived in the eastern part of modern Sudan and Egypt and throughout the Somali peninsula. Desertic Cushites that had much resemblance:
Ibn Battuta made it clear that the land of Barbars was from Zeila and down to what today is southern Somalia, which we know has historically been Somali lands:
Ibn Sa'id also said the same thing, referring to the entire Somali-inhabited stretches of the broader peninsula as Barbar with Zanj south of it.
To reiterate, the term Barbar was applied to Northeast Africans south of Egyptians living off the western Red Sea where Bejas live today, with Somalis also considered the same broader group designated under that name for apparent "racial," economic, and anthropological similarities. The Bejas were trade masters of the eastern coast, facilitating pathways for economic forces of that region while enriching themselves through mining as additional sources of wealth accumulation. We did the same for our coast, minus the mining. I can elaborate on this further, but it will take up too much space. The central point is that to outsiders, we probably seemed very similar, maybe different sub-groups of the broader population. Their intuition proved correct for complex reasons.
Berberization of Northwest Africa happened later and was popularized by figures such as Ibn Khaldun, appropriating a term used for northeast Africans for many centuries.
Also, the Barbar term did not mean Barbarian as we see the ancient Romans called the Germanic tribes as a term for uncivilized peoples. It was a specific region and people and only meant for Cushites such as Beja and Somalis:
It might be a coincidence, but we have the word 'barbar' in Somali that means young man, something uncovered that confirmed what a source had told Shimbris an earlier time:
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