The 18 pre-civil war regions

[Cognitivedissonance]

Horta are you bipolar.. the OP didn't focus his thread in splitting Mudug..but the entire country..

The current borders do not reflect the factual tribal borders..

He emphasises on long term peace for all, and uses the current autonomous regions as examples that if people within their tribes are recognised as the sole landowners and left to govern within their recognised lands peace could have a chance to prevail..

You said sool iyo sanaag..
Yes some parts of those regions belong to one group of people and the other part belongs to one group of people..so let's shift those artificial lines to a more suitable area..

And we do tht for every region and with in every region..like the reoccurring wars between qarxajis iyo habar jeclo, we can have a Somali proper maps that recognise each square meter of the entire land..

A detailed map.. a small example is Bari, bari in its original form was massive with few different groups of people laying a claim to it with continues hit and run wars..since then Puntland has kind of sorted it out by cutting it in two and even then each group of people within the two have detailed map of their lands..tht has halted a lot of misconceptions between people..


Do we want peace? If no we continue this self destructive course of action

If yes, then I don't see why we can't partition the country according to tribal maps, so tht we can eliminate all misconceptions between a lot of people..a and finally have a country tht resembles us all ..

Why?

Because no Somali likes to be feeling dominated by another Somali affiliation..

Don’t speak on matters you know anything about Bari is shared so is caluula there’s not just one group of people living in Bari and caluula and the reason why cadde muuse divided Bari is cause he is from xamar and doesn’t know much about the demographic of Bari inhabitants so he divided cismaan maxamud Who settle in Bari, karkaar and caluula.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Mudug part of Puntland should be renamed to udug.

 

[Crow]

here is where you argument crumbles sxb, you cannot use clan dealings and judging from history to predict the future. uncertainty is the law of the land when it comes to tribal issues. how can you guarantee any of the entities you mentioned won't flip out some time in the future and demand their own region.

I've spent two pages explaining why the 18 regions have failed us and must be corrected but I have yet to see any actual argument in favour of them.

Explain to me how keeping two clans who despise each other together in Mudug makes any sort of sense. How would you elect a single person to govern this region?

 

[BankaTuyo]

Explain to me how keeping two clans who despise each other together in Mudug makes any sort of sense. How would you elect a single person to govern this region?

i have to be frank with you sxb, Somalis have always been in tribal conflict, we've seen the latest episode in Ceel-afweyn, Sanaag region, the disputes are settled in the traditional Somali justice system; Geedka Garnaqsiga where clan elders, religious leaders, and respected prominent personalities take part in resolving any conflict. but creating more dividing political factors within clans is never the answer and only adds fuel to the fire.

 

[Crow]

i have to be frank with you sxb, Somalis have always been in tribal conflict, we've seen the latest episode in Ceel-afweyn, Sanaag region, the disputes are settled in the traditional Somali justice system; Geedka Garnaqsiga where clan elders, religious leaders, and respected prominent personalities take part in resolving any conflict. but creating more dividing political factors within clans is never the answer and only adds fuel to the fire.

Do you really think that officiating North Mudug and South Mudug as two separate regions would lead to more conflict?

The current conflict stems from Galmudug's need for 2 regions to qualify as a federal member state. They currently have only Galgaduud and half of Mudug. Their dream to take over all of Mudug is because of the original 18 regions and the 2 region constitutional requirement. Why else would they believe that they have a right to Burtinle, for example?

 

[AarLibaax]

My Qabiil cant live with your Qabiil
My Qabiil needs needs self-determination
My Qabiil needs its own State, County, District & Neighbourhood



Its a never ending tit 4 tat which wont happen Sorry to dissapoint those with apartheid fetishes. It's not all doom & gloom for you tho, Somalia is a large country i'm sure there are a few uninhabited caves where you can fit right in

 

[Avenger]

The 18 gobols don’t make any sense you have gobols with millions of people and others with a 3 Hundred thousand. The maamul gobaleeds have replaced them anyways and they are forming the old 8 gobols of the Somali republic. The only difference is the bottom 6 gobols and they’re occupied by shabaab. When they are free it will go back to how it was non of this jubaland nonsense.

 

[AarLibaax]

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The 18 gobols don’t make any sense you have gobols with millions of people and others with a 3 Hundred thousand. The maamul gobaleeds have replaced them anyways and they are forming the old 8 gobols of the Somali republic. The only difference is the bottom 6 gobols and they’re occupied by shabaab. When they are free it will go back to how it was non of this jubaland nonsense.

There is a discussion to be had on increasing the number from 18 to for example 36 is something I would even back. More power to the people.

I'm glad that you see that the powers that be want us to revert back to the old colonial model, and that clearly does not work.

I dont know about you but the administrative provinces must be Somali MADE.

Its simple mate our Country is large enough to accomodate more than 50 gubernatorial provinces, aslong as its not based on muh Qabiil

I've seen provinces I never heard created by you Northerns like Ceyn, Karkaar, Gardaful, Haylan, Saahil and Maroodi Jeex

Divide the 18 even more hore ha loo socdo ***k going back

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

My Qabiil cant live with your Qabiil
My Qabiil needs needs self-determination
My Qabiil needs its own State, County, District & Neighbourhood



Its a never ending tit 4 tat which wont happen Sorry to dissapoint those with apartheid fetishes. It's not all doom & gloom for you tho, Somalia is a large country i'm sure there are a few uninhabited caves where you can fit right in

Spoken like a person from cabudwaaq galgaduud surrounded by gog and magog from all sides kkk

Mudug is already separated the majority of mudug is under Puntland state the rest is under galmudug state

The entire system of somalia government is based on tribe 4.5 the president is selected based on tribe so is the prime minister, givernment ministers, the parliment, the federal states, senate save us your crocodile tears if you are so against qabil then you wouldnt support the current government in mogadishu today cause its based on tribal system 4.5 so stop being a hypocrite

 

[Crow]

My Qabiil cant live with your Qabiil
My Qabiil needs needs self-determination
My Qabiil needs its own State, County, District & Neighbourhood



Its a never ending tit 4 tat which wont happen Sorry to dissapoint those with apartheid fetishes. It's not all doom & gloom for you tho, Somalia is a large country i'm sure there are a few uninhabited caves where you can fit right in

How about you actually confronting my arguments instead of only attacking me? We're on page 3 now and you haven't offered a single argument in favour of the original 18 regions except for your feelings.

I should have realised that you were a troll who gets off on problems in Puntland the moment you defended the current state of Mudug. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's an even bigger problem for Galmudug.

 

[AarLibaax]

Spoken like a person from cabudwaaq galgaduud surrounded by gog and magog from all sides kkk

Ffs my fam left the red sands of GG 200 years ago for greener pastures, regardless doe Reer CWaaq are part & parcel of Galnus

if you are so against qabil then you wouldnt support the current government in mogadishu today cause its based on tribal system 4.5 so stop being a hypocrite

Yh sure mate

 

[AarLibaax]

How about you actually confronting my arguments instead of only attacking me? We're on page 3 now and you haven't offered a single argument in favour of the original 18 regions except for your feelings.

Come with an argument based on reason, I dont entertain your fear of HG mate

18 Gobol is a system, created 40 years ago. It's not perfect but it worked & it sure as hell wasnt based on qabiil
but on a Socialist ideology so i'd be happy if it was reformed

who gets off on problems in Puntland

No shit sherlock

 

[Crow]

CWaaq are part & parcel of Galnus

Come with an argument based on reason, I dont entertain your fear of HG mate

18 Gobol is a system, created 40 years ago. It's not perfect but it worked & it sure as hell wasnt based on qabiil
but on a Socialist ideology so i'd be happy if it was reformed

The fact that you actually believe that the kacaan wasn't qabilist shows how young you are.

No shit sherlock

Thanks for showing that your inferiority complex and envy surpass your nationalism.

 

[AarLibaax]

The fact that you actually believe that the kacaan wasn't qabilist shows how young you are.


Thanks for showing that your inferiority complex and envy surpasses your nationalism.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

The fact that you actually believe that the kacaan wasn't qabilist shows how young you are.


Thanks for showing that your inferiority complex and envy surpass your nationalism.

Waa guun guun dhashay calaacaling about qabil when the prime minister he has on his avatar came to power cause of his qabil and the federal government is based on qabil system of 4.5 yet calls us tribalist he is a hypocrite.

@AarLibaax you must think this is the kacan, federalism is here to stay and what puntland does with puntlands part of mudug is no ones business except puntlanders.

No one fears habar gidir but as puntlanders we have nothing to do with them they are not part of puntland

 

[AarLibaax]

Waa guun guun dhashay calaacaling about qabil when the prime minister he has on his avatar came to power cause of his qabil and the federal government is based on qabil system of 4.5 yet calls us tribalist he is a hypocrite.

@AarLibaax you must think this is the kacan, federalism is here to stay and what puntland does with puntlands part of mudug is no ones business except puntlanders.

No one fears habar gidir but as puntlanders we have nothing to do with them they are not part of puntland

Two-bit brain limited to Kutiri Kuteen



Too much blabla no good mate, go chat 2 a wall or something

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Two-bit brain limited to Kutiri Kuteen



Too much blabla no good mate, go chat 2 a wall or something

You support the federal government in mogadisho thats based on a tribal system of 4.5 while proudly displaying the prime minister picture who was selected based on his tribe. Save us from your crocodile tears and your drivel against qabil stop being a hypocrite why are you against federal states thats based on a qabil system while you support the federal government in mogadishu thats based on qabil? Is it cause the leader of the federal government in mogadishu is from your qabil? And hes out here lecturing us on qabil the audacity is unparalleled atleast I am not a hypocrite Alhamdulillah

 

[AarLibaax]

You support the federal government in mogadisho thats based on a tribal system of 4.5 while proudly displaying the prime minister picture who was selected based on his tribe. Save us from your crocodile tears and your drivel against qabil stop being a hypocrite why are you against federal states thats based on a qabil system while you support the federal government in mogadishu thats based on qabil? Is it cause the leader of the federal government in mogadishu is from your qabil?

More Kutiri Kuteen

I have never supported 4.5 (Eventhough Marehan got most seats)but its what we have now. The previous regime failed to transfer to a system based on degmo & if this regime doesnt change it, they will also be remembered as a failure.

Federal Gov although not perfect is more inclusive than clan enclaves hence why I will always support it.

I have Kheyre a Murusade on my DP because his message resonates with me & majority of Dhalinyaro have you anything to add other than blabla

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Lol @ surrounded by Gog and Magog
@Cognitivedissonance

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

@AarLibaax alhamdulillah

More Kutiri Kuteen

I have never supported 4.5 (Eventhough Marehan got most seats)but its what we have now. The previous regime failed to transfer to a system based on degmo & if this regime doesnt change it, they will also be remembered as a failure.

Federal Gov although not perfect is more inclusive than clan enclaves hence why I will always support it.

I have Kheyre a Murusade on my DP because his message resonates with me & majority of Dhalinyaro have you anything to add other than blabla

Boowe welcome to federalism embrace it cause its going nowhere theres nothing wrong with tribes alhamdulillah Allah has made me majeerteen illahay hadu ku roon yahay puntland qabil ma ahan boowe puntland waa Qaran