Seriously how do you write this without a hint of irony or self awareness?
The Future is USR
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Silky
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I'll give you that SL is falling short of it desired goal, but to judge them on their goals and objectives one is inherently progressive and beneficial to Somaliweyn the other is backwards and and qabilistSeriously how do you write this without a hint of irony or self awareness?
Why is selective tribalism backwards as opposed to a "multi-clan" democracy?
Silky
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From the position that I want ultimately a unified greater somalia
( although I believe that two somali states is the best way to currently get there from our state of development amongst other things). A state of multiple single-clan enclaves is problematic because it is:
-prone to outside influences, since a 1 clan authority is easier to corrupt
- inherently discriminatory because a state that serves a particular clans interests will by the same hand discriminate against those not of the group (at least politcally) which makes business and development between states more difficult.l (basically the conditions on the ground right now)
-leading on from that it will perpetually fuel secessionism and clan hatred(and presumably violence) which puts us at the stage of development akin to pre-roman Britain or precolonial America.
( although I believe that two somali states is the best way to currently get there from our state of development amongst other things). A state of multiple single-clan enclaves is problematic because it is:
-prone to outside influences, since a 1 clan authority is easier to corrupt
- inherently discriminatory because a state that serves a particular clans interests will by the same hand discriminate against those not of the group (at least politcally) which makes business and development between states more difficult.l (basically the conditions on the ground right now)
-leading on from that it will perpetually fuel secessionism and clan hatred(and presumably violence) which puts us at the stage of development akin to pre-roman Britain or precolonial America.
Since you have 30 years of experience, how has this system benefited those in Somaliland over those in Puntland and if this is a superior system why is Somaliland unable to convince the populace in Sool?
Lol, the reality is there are like you and three other landers on this forum that are pro Somaliweyn. The rest say shit like "Brothers itoobiya, and our enemies Somalia", yall are the people that turned away Somali refugee coming from yemen bc of cuqdad.
Maybe actually talk to a lander in real life before you make such assumptions. Your posts here sound like you have major axe to grind with them. I suggest you do some introspection first before accusing others of holding "cuqdad".
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there is confederation system, it works well for the swizz, the UAE, the German states were such before they said hey lets create Germany, so was Italy, and USA, all nations that have created confederation they wanted to unite, you can argue the EU is such and if they get their acts together economically then perhaps confederation is next step,
how about we only share currency and defence, or we can just start with defence, then perhaps currency like the Euro,
we get rid of barriers on exports and imports, slowly build up perhaps in a couple of generations when we trust each other,
as a Jubbaland Ogaden i dont want to put my faith in a central state run my a Ogaden hating tribalist who will use the state to crush me, hence why i will fight to keep my own army and a source of income free from xamar because i dont trust xamar or a centralised state i dont have a veto on how the money will be used,
if we loved each other we would not be in this place, so lets think outside the bloody box, our people are dying whilst others build air craft carriers 3 times our economy, its pathetic,
Saxiib don't take it personally, I'm a diehard Somaliweynist, and anybody whether from Puntland or Somaliland that call for secession or isolationism is antithetical to Somali prosperity and domination of the horn. That's the only objective we should respect.
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Saxiib don't take it personally, I'm a diehard Somaliweynist, and anybody whether from Puntland or Somaliland that call for secession or isolationism is antithetical to Somali prosperity and domination of the horn. That's the only objective we should respect.
PEACE
That is an honest position that I can respect.
Interesting concept, I am all for any solution that allows the Somali people to live in peace and prosper. I wonder how foreign and trade policy will be handled in this system 
Will there be quotas for the military from each member state, things might get messy if one state is over represented in the military establishment
Will there be quotas for the military from each member state, things might get messy if one state is over represented in the military establishment
Will there be quotas for the military from each member state, things might get messy if one state is over represented in the military establishment
Typical mareexaan
What can I sayTypical mareexaan
the commercial capital and the largest city of USR will always remain Mogadishu
The capital city will be shared in rotational manner by the four chartered cities (MOG,HAR,BOS,BAI,)
Someone may ask what about Djibouti, Somali Galbeed and NFD
The different functions of the government should be split up and sent to different cities (Legislative, Administrative and Judicicial) like in South Africa. Having a moving capital is a waste of public resources.
Let Djibouti stay independent and develop it as a shipping and financial hub (ala HK and Singapore).
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no, let each state deal with outs own institutions, i.e. courts, police, education policy, if you want to give free uni to your population fine, also taxes etc,
if kismayo, or doobley or afmadow is not included in the 4 capitals i am not for it, allow that bruv, dusty garowe a quarter of kismayo and empty baidow gets more recong than kismayo or doobely?
we will share a currency as long as there is an Ogaden chap in the central bank commitee with full veto like the EU has on EU policies, a full veto on central bank policies, we can rotate the head of it - in fact i dont care about the head as long as he doesnt over ride our veto,
bloody hutus printed 30 billion shillings in 2004 when abdiqasim was pres, 30 billion, a meal that used to cost 300 shilling shot up to 120,000 shllings, i dont want this repeat, if the hea do fhte bank wants to print and pump money i want a veto for jubbaland,
for defence i dont want an amry of mjs or idoor or ilka yar or hutus in my land, jubbaland, but i am happy to provide man power and finance if the nation gets attacked, surely for the first 2 generations we will still no trust each other, but as soomalia interest becomes more commons and we leave tribalism than perhaps a hutu general or whatever as the cheif of satff would be welcomed,
we dont need to even share parliemnt, courts (except inter states courts like human rights, patents law, martime etc),
if oil is found i am happy to share 70/30, 70 for jubbland, but as long as the money is not used against Ogaden interest or used to atatck us or masuqmasuq -
as long as xamar doesnt have control of my money and army i will sleep better at night, siayd barre fought with Ogadens 1987-1991 in kismayo, afmadow and bardeere, we will never ever trust a so called central government again, and we will never put down our arms in jubbaland, so lets think outside the box,
my ancestors conquered jubbaalnd and NFD some 150 years before the white man made a, whilst your ancestors refused to join Ogaden to conquer the land- so why should i give up jubbaland for a somalia that doesn't give me my rights and calls me a habashi refugees, forget kenyans, i will beg Israeli for help if i have to protect my land, call me the names yall want, i will never trust centralised state again, never, unless i have tangible protection rights,
thus i will never trust any man in xamar with our rights, somalis are not ready to share the pie yet, we are too greedy, so lets think outside the box and come out with ideas rather than this chase the tail style rubbish,
if we cannot think outside the bloody box, lets go our separate ways, idoorland, jubbaalnd etc lets break up, we cannot be in a limbo for eternity
if kismayo, or doobley or afmadow is not included in the 4 capitals i am not for it, allow that bruv, dusty garowe a quarter of kismayo and empty baidow gets more recong than kismayo or doobely?
we will share a currency as long as there is an Ogaden chap in the central bank commitee with full veto like the EU has on EU policies, a full veto on central bank policies, we can rotate the head of it - in fact i dont care about the head as long as he doesnt over ride our veto,
bloody hutus printed 30 billion shillings in 2004 when abdiqasim was pres, 30 billion, a meal that used to cost 300 shilling shot up to 120,000 shllings, i dont want this repeat, if the hea do fhte bank wants to print and pump money i want a veto for jubbaland,
for defence i dont want an amry of mjs or idoor or ilka yar or hutus in my land, jubbaland, but i am happy to provide man power and finance if the nation gets attacked, surely for the first 2 generations we will still no trust each other, but as soomalia interest becomes more commons and we leave tribalism than perhaps a hutu general or whatever as the cheif of satff would be welcomed,
we dont need to even share parliemnt, courts (except inter states courts like human rights, patents law, martime etc),
if oil is found i am happy to share 70/30, 70 for jubbland, but as long as the money is not used against Ogaden interest or used to atatck us or masuqmasuq -
as long as xamar doesnt have control of my money and army i will sleep better at night, siayd barre fought with Ogadens 1987-1991 in kismayo, afmadow and bardeere, we will never ever trust a so called central government again, and we will never put down our arms in jubbaland, so lets think outside the box,
my ancestors conquered jubbaalnd and NFD some 150 years before the white man made a, whilst your ancestors refused to join Ogaden to conquer the land- so why should i give up jubbaland for a somalia that doesn't give me my rights and calls me a habashi refugees, forget kenyans, i will beg Israeli for help if i have to protect my land, call me the names yall want, i will never trust centralised state again, never, unless i have tangible protection rights,
thus i will never trust any man in xamar with our rights, somalis are not ready to share the pie yet, we are too greedy, so lets think outside the box and come out with ideas rather than this chase the tail style rubbish,
if we cannot think outside the bloody box, lets go our separate ways, idoorland, jubbaalnd etc lets break up, we cannot be in a limbo for eternity
how come an EU nation has veto on policies (meaning it will not become law if even one says no) yet we want to force states to accept so called xamar- ar to me a xamar led somalia is tribalis led, all i see is the idiot so called president, as i see his tribe, i see what harm he may do to my tribe because he will use the state to harm others, failmarjo is a classic example so was his uncle so was all the others, thus people like me have a very strong interest in seeing somali (xamar led state) weak and on her knees,
look at failmarjo, UAE paid for jubabalnd army for years then he tells us his new boyfriend Qatar hates this and we should stop talks with UAE, and he doesnt even offer us an alternative to pay for the army, no solution, so we said piss off,
and he doesn this after he handed over Qalbidagax, this was desinged to show the Ethiopians Ogadens in jubaland are all ONLF supporters, his marhan tribe designed this policy, so we kept quite and opened back channel with cabdi iley and the ethiopians to free Qalbidagax,
this boon thinks he can screw us over and we will forget, he proofed my point, a rival tribe used the centralised xamar state to harm another tribe over vendetta, so genius, give me one good reason why i should favour a so called strong federal state in xamar when its detrimental for people like me,
wallahi no mater his tribe, because of the environment, any president will succumb to tribalism and revenge attacks on his rival tribes, thus its in our interest to have very weak central government to limit abuse and very strong regional states - if yall dont want this then lets fight some more and kill of this curse called a and go our own way,
look at failmarjo, UAE paid for jubabalnd army for years then he tells us his new boyfriend Qatar hates this and we should stop talks with UAE, and he doesnt even offer us an alternative to pay for the army, no solution, so we said piss off,
and he doesn this after he handed over Qalbidagax, this was desinged to show the Ethiopians Ogadens in jubaland are all ONLF supporters, his marhan tribe designed this policy, so we kept quite and opened back channel with cabdi iley and the ethiopians to free Qalbidagax,
this boon thinks he can screw us over and we will forget, he proofed my point, a rival tribe used the centralised xamar state to harm another tribe over vendetta, so genius, give me one good reason why i should favour a so called strong federal state in xamar when its detrimental for people like me,
wallahi no mater his tribe, because of the environment, any president will succumb to tribalism and revenge attacks on his rival tribes, thus its in our interest to have very weak central government to limit abuse and very strong regional states - if yall dont want this then lets fight some more and kill of this curse called a and go our own way,
Sultan
I am the Sultan
A modified 4.5 will work for USR in the initial phase.I doubt full blown democracy will not suit USR bc elections will polarise the nation and the worst kind of tribalism will resume.Therefore, Unless a strong modern government institutions are built we can't gamble with western type of democracy.
The 4.5 system will be revisited due to the following reasons.
1)To accommodate MPs from the National cities.
2)To satisfy all clans especially the fifth clan,Northen Harti and Isaaq clans.
3)To establish a strict and better selection method based on merits at the district level.
4)Every candidate should have a tertiary education from a reputed university.
5)the selection should always be fair under the close supervision of the National intelligence and independent electoral bodies to eliminate any chance of corruption.
6)We need clan based democracy that will best suit USR bc it will ensure political stability and minimal clan conflict.
How will 4.5 modified ?
The five National cities will each have extra 4 mps and fifth clan will get extra mps
Total clan Mps will look like this.
Darood 67MPs
Dir 64 MPs
Hawiye 66 MPs
Raxaweyn 64 Mps
37 -Besha Sanaad
300 mps -
USR will be one-party democracy with its unique features
The party will comprise:
1.General secretary
2.Supreme Council
3.The Parliament
4.Golaha guurtida(educated clan elders)
4.The Executive
5.Judiciary
Supreme council structure
General secretary- the head of state ,the commander of USRDF and the supreme leader.Conditions and terms.
-Can only Serve 2 terms.
-Must be a confirmed patriot and staunch member of NP
-must be eloquent and visionary
-Must be well educated with experience of leadership
-Must consult with the supreme council and MPs before any important decisions
-part of the fourteen Supreme council
Supreme council (14 members)
-6 members will be selected from the six states.
-And five memmbers will represent chartered cities
-2 will be selected from the Clan5
-They may be elected to the most important ministries.
-Will automatically serve 2 terms before the party reshuffles based on their performance.
Functions of the supreme council
1.Symbol of national and ethnic unity
2.form the most crucial part of the executive.I.e the general secretary of the National party and the key ministries.
3.bring autocratic efficiency without violating tribal or regional democracy
4.maintain a strong national and foreign policies
5.Have the final say in national matters
6.Will promote national values and social integration.
7.will replace Golaha guurita or aqalka sare .
8.The Council will select a general secretary or president which will then have an approval from the Parliament.
9.Every member of the council regardless of his clan can become the national party leader or the general secretary. A competent Madow or Gadabursi from Saylac can lead USR.
The council will have :
4--Hawiye
4--Darood
2--Isaaq
1-Dir
1-Digil
1-Mirifle
1--beesha shanaad.
1--Hawiye/Darod or Sacad/Cumar M
Council members and their states
Somaliland
will have 3 members in the supreme council.
1 isaaq
1 dir and
1 Darood.
Meanwhile, The national city(HarG) will have 1 Isaaq council member.Therefore, SL power sharing will look like this;
HA-council member of Hargeisa city
HJ-council member ofSomaliland
GX -the president/governor of SL
DHULZ-council member of HARTI
GD--council member of Dir &,deputy
Arap-Mayor of Hargeisa
WR -deputy governor of SL.
Isaaqs will equally share their 3 top positions maybe in rotational manner.
Puntland
will have one Council representive .Power sharing will look like this;
Ciise Maxamud -PL governor
Cisman Maxamud -Council member
Dishiishe -,Major of Bosaso
Leelkase -deputy governor
N/B..Cumar Maxamud will either get a council member or governor in Gaaljacyo.Both Sacad and Cumar Maxamud will have reduced power in their respective former states since they are to share a chartered National city.However,they will get their local representives in PL and GL
Galmudug
In Galmudug ,obviously it will be Cayr vs Saleban
governor Cayr
Deputy Marehan
the council member Saleban
Other Hawiye clans will also get strong represention in Galmudug state.Furthermore, they will all be encouraged to invest in Gaalkacyo city.
Hirshabele
In Hirshable ,The same criteria will be employed. Xawaadle and Mudulood will share the Supremo and gubernatorial posts.Gugundhabe and Gaaljecel won't be left out .Gaaljecel will have their town as Hirshabele headquarter and Gugundhabe will get strong consideration and they will get their pie of the cake.Dir and Clan Five will also be part and parcel of Hirshabele project.
South West state
In South West,The council member of Baidoa city and SouthWest state and the governor should be Digil and Mirifle.Hawiye,Ogaden and Dir won't be left out in the govt.
Mogadishu
The Supreme council member of MOG will be Mudulood.the power sharing in the city will be clearly defined to rule out Hawiye civil war .The mayor of Mogdisho will be shared by Other Hawiye and Beesha shanaad.
Jubaland
Absame and Marehan will each have a supreme council member ,one from Jubaland and the other from Kisimayo.Meanwhile,The mayor of Kismayo will be Harti with a Hawiye Deputy.The city will be shared accordingly .Ogaden will select their supreme council member one time from Kismayo city and the other time from Jubaland .This trend will bring a healthy power sharing exchange between Marehan and Absame in Jubaland and Kismayo.
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Sultan
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The national cities will be increased to five with the induction of Kismayo.This city,like other national city ,will not be part of Jubaland state.Buaale will be the headquarter of Jubaland .Meanwhile Gaalkacyo will take the national status from Bosaaso in order to bolster political stability and balanced regional growth .
Jubaland will have 4 regional cities (don't confuse with national cities) which includes :
Buaale -the JL headquarter
Baardhere -the largest city
Dhoobley -A major commercial border town
Bula Hawo -Will rival and outperform Mandhera town .
The future is bright
Jubaland will have 4 regional cities (don't confuse with national cities) which includes :
Buaale -the JL headquarter
Baardhere -the largest city
Dhoobley -A major commercial border town
Bula Hawo -Will rival and outperform Mandhera town .
The future is bright
XaajiXumbo
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Loli swear any project you darood folks touch you turn into daroodism, even in your USR fantasy you had to increase your beesha MP seats when its obvious Hawiye then Raxanweyne are the majorities within Somalis.
AS for today's realism that is Federalism it suits us Hawiye and especially HG very well, we are heavily well represented in 4 States(KG,GM,HS,MOG), so why would we ever entertain any idea that will decrease our political capitals, to get any idea such as USR started you will need the supports of the stakeholders that matters like us HG.
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Sultan
I am the Sultan
i swear any project you darood folks touch you turn into daroodism, even in your USR fantasy you had to increase your beesha MP seats when its obvious Hawiye then Raxanweyne are the majorities within Somalis.
AS for today's realism that is Federalism it suits us Hawiye and especially HG very well, we are heavily well represented in 4 States(KG,GM,HS,MOG), so why would we ever entertain any idea that will decrease our political capitals, to get any idea such as USR started you will need the supports of the stakeholders that matters like us HG.
In this little bit modified 4.5 ,you will not lose any power in any region .l have only mentioned how the top leadership should have been shared..
Lemme ask u again,how is the holy USR biased to Hawiye or HG? what are some of the things you would outrightly reject from this futuristic USR
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