The Gaal of Somalia [hint: they weren't Oromo]
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Your entire premise has no proof
Quote an actual archeologist that says there was a religious civil war in Somaliland? Qoti the reason why you are getting cussed is because your thread and posts in this thread is nothing more than a troll attempt.
Stick to qoti history where actual religious civil wars happened and continue till today where your own Oromo brothers insult your islamic belief
When Islam was spreading in the Somali peninsula those somais that didn't profess Islam were all classified as Gaal.The 'Gaal' of Somalia
In Somali oral tradition there was once a people who inhabited Northern Somalia before being expelled by the clans which inhabit that area t...gazirapress.blogspot.com
In Somali oral tradition there was once a people who inhabited Northern Somalia before being expelled by the clans which inhabit that area today. These people are simply referred to as 'Gaal' or 'non-muslim' in the Somali language. Many somalis claim that these people were Oromo since Oromos are often considered to be the indegenous stock of people in the Horn of Africa, while the tribes of northern Somalia mostly claim some form of Arab ancestry. Therefore, any tradition or artifact related to Somalia's pre-Islamic history is regarded as foreign. And the nearest foreigners to attribute it to are the Oromos.
For example the tradition of Gaalka'yo, or the town which traces it's name back to the expulsion of the 'gaal' people indicates that there was probably a conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims in the region. There is another nearby town called A'budWaaq. A'bud means worship in Arabic, while Waaq can be translated to the indegenous word for 'God'. What this most likely means is that the early Muslims in Somalia referred to God as 'Waaq'. Infact the word Waaq is quite prominent in the Somali tradition (there are towns and clans which bear the name). So it appears that the early Somali people were made up of indegenous people.
There is evidence that the regions south of the Juba river were inhabited by the Orma clan, and that they were expelled from that region in the 19th century when a war broke out after a smallpox epidemic devasted their population, according to British colonial documents. Other than that there's no evidence to suggest that the traditional 'Gaal' is a reference to Oromos. The first time it was used to refer to Oromos was by the Abyssinian monk Aba Bahrey in his 'Invasion of the Galla'. The term was then adopted by Western scholars.
So what is the source of this term? As far as we know, the original 'Gaal' was the non-Muslim population of Somalia which fought against the Muslim population of Somalia. The term is a product of the religious civil war which occurred in Somalia between the ancestors of the current day Somali people.
To Somalis the word Gaal means disbeliever and Gaalo or Gaala is the plural.
Even white colonialists were called Gaalo.
Even today somalis call a non Muslim Gaal.
Oromo expansion into the Somali region especially harar happened in the 16th Century when both the Muslim state of Adal and Abysinia got weakened due to the wars.
Gaal means camel, Gaala (Galla) means without camel
Your entire premise has no proof
Quote an actual archeologist that says there was a religious civil war in Somaliland? Qoti the reason why you are getting cussed is because your thread and posts in this thread is nothing more than a troll attempt.
Stick to qoti history where actual religious civil wars happened and continue till today where your own Oromo brothers insult your islamic belief
the reasoning behind such an event was explained, and once again: it makes sense. the proof is that, not all somalis accepted Islam at once, and the term gaalo/gaala does not refer to camels that were expelled, or oromo, because oromo were not in somaliland....
I am not trolling at all, unlike you, I am into mature, civilized discussions on history, etc.
there is no civil war based on religions in Oromia right now, and I will stick to any history I want, and I guarantee you won't do nothing about it nor can you do anything about it.
I am a very busy man, I dont have time to argue and prove anything to an oromo. Do not meddle in our history, our anything related to Somalis. Oromos are a expansionist, genocidal
Mohammed Hassen btw is an Oromom historian, I asked an Oromo who knew him, and she said he is one of the most credible sources on Oromo History.
Stop rewriting history, by finding information from shitty websites. Mind your business, stop making any post or threads about somali history. You are not indigenous to any land outside where Boronas reside today, you are expansionist animals, just like Bantus, and you assimilate and claim everything. At least Amharas and Tigrayans don't. The only way Somalis and Oromos can have peace is through uniting upon Islam, but Oromos dont want that. Majority of Oromo Muslims wants to unite upon Oromumma with their christian counterparts who think they are amharas. Any Oromo who subscribes to Oromo nationalism is a danger to Somalis and we as Somalis must defend ourselves, even if it means nuking you 100x times
Oromos who do not act upon Islam and who are affected by ethnonationalism are animals. They kill, rape, genocide and slaughter Somalis who still live in the Somali lands occupied by Oromos.
I wasn't talking to you, but to address your points: I never denied that we expanded, assimilated others, etc, these are the same things somali's, amharas, everyone else did. we oromo just happened to conquer some of the most fertile, well watered lands in Africa. we lost lands, to some of our neighbors, but also conquered some of y'alls lands; seems fair to me, such is life, you win some, you lose some.
and if you read here, I am saying again and again that, oromo's didn't occupy somalia or somaliland at any point. that's why it's good for us to read to understand, prior to commenting, as opposed to just replying out of anger.
and no one is ''meddling,'' it's a discussion, which any of us are free to do, about any countries or people, and there's nothing that you can do about it, so it's best to control your emotions and not get so emotional/angry/sad/etc.
Yes of course Oromos never reached those lands, they tried to invade the south but weere pushed back in the gaal madow wars with the Ajuraan. Why are you discussing something that no Somali claims, discuss this topic with the Oromos who trying to cope with their langaab past by rewriting history
Let's take it easy on Oromo's, they are our brothers.
βOromos are expansionist,β Do you not know the history of your own people? There is a reason why Somalis occupy vast lands.
Fake, I.M Lewis thought we came from Arabia and then expanded in to Horn of Africa. This has been rejected by later academics like Herbert Lewis
There are no references or mentions of oromos/Gallas before the 16th century while you can find references to Somalis all the way back to ninth century, and even earlier 1st century Barbaria was the name used by the ancient Greeks for littoral northeast Africa. The corresponding Arabic term, bilad al-Barbar (land of the Barbar), was in use in the Middle Ages.[1]
You Gallas are not indigenous to any regions outside the Borona region. You cannot claim Haraghe, Bale or any of those places. You are animals, and get out of our land. Oromo is not even a real ethnicity, you are conquered people who were assimilated by the true Oromos who are the Borona. The reason why it is hard to differentiate Oromos, except the oromized Somalis in hararghe who still claim dir ancesty is because of the egalitarian values of the gadaa system.
So stop trying to rewrite history filthy gallas.
@Abba Sadacha @WarraHararghe, your ancestors costed only 50-90 talleri
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yes but some say oromo were in somalia/somaliland and got pushed out, but we do not believe in such theories.
just because no somali claims it, doesn't mean it never occurred. it makes perfect sense that, some somalis may have been slow, or refused to embrace Islam as the others, and a fight broke out. same thing happened to arabs and others, it happens dude. i think u and others maybe mad at the idea of a civil war occurring among somalis, as if that never occurred in modern times either.. i.e. fall of siad barre, and the success of SNM, USC/ and others
Oromo have been in bale and around it, for a very looong time, this is well known to anyone except for those who are blinded by their hatred of us, of course.
The tough talk and insults just prove how weak you are-- real men need not talk so loud, since the loudest one=the weakest one.
I dont know what you are talking about, "some" are not Somalis, and after 100 yeas after the death of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon all Somalis were Muslims, but we still had our pre islamic customs like how we dress, the festivals etc. by the 12th century we were fighting the christians. According to the legends it was only the yibir that were relunctant to convert. So stop with all these assumptions. What is it that you are trying to conclude?
A long time, well you have been in hararghe a long time too, if you consider from the 16th century and onwards a long time. Let me ask you a question. Do you support the unification of all Muslims in East Africa under one Islamic emirate with shura? or do you prefer Oromo Muslim to unite with their christian counterpart upon ethnonationalism? If you say the latter you are nothing but a filthy enemy
the point is, when Islam first spread there, it's not like all somali embraced it all at once, some probably didn't at first, hence the reason it'd make sense that there were some kind of fight, even if it were against the group u mentioned, the yibir
that's fine, because somali's expanded into much of the land they occupy today too, it's not like they didn't conquer more than others, so to point out the oromo expansion while ignoring somali's expansion is a bit hypocritical.
to answer you question: that's not possible at the moment, let's be honest here, somali's cannot even unite with each other, we oromo have our own problem based on political history and not religion, and then the afar have their own problems being outnumbered and subjugated by the more numerous habesha in eritrea, the issa in djibouti, and in ethiopia, etc.
either way, you can consider me an enemy, I honestly do not care, because we oromo can defend ourselves quite well and have no shortage of warriors.
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