The need to merge Islam and Somalinimo into ethnoreligious identity

[P4$t0]

You're a generous geeljire, so I'll let you off this time

And here's my word of advice....

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[Exodus]

And here's my word of advice....

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Which is why Somalia is such a shithole

 

[P4$t0]

Which is why Somalia is such a shithole

Elaborate.

 

[Exodus]

Elaborate.

The main reason Al Shabaab was allowed to flourish and the Salafi way of thinking allowed to fester in Somalia is due to the fact that Somalis have a deep-rooted inferiority complex towards Arabs. A Somali in Somalia typically believes that Arabs = Islam.

Somalinimo and Islam must be at a balance, it's like a scale, with each sides having massive ramifications.

Just Islam, with no Somalinimo = Current situation, terrorism running rampant due to an inferiority complex that can easily be mended

Somalinimo, no Islam = Essentially, what MSB tried to do. Somalia is 99.9% Muslim, this will never work.

Somalinimo and Islam = The core tenant of Me and @Samaalic Era's new branch, will ensure that no more foreign ideology's like Salafism plague us, while we maintain our deen.

 

[P4$t0]

The main reason Al Shabaab was allowed to flourish and the Salafi way of thinking allowed to fester in Somalia is due to the fact that Somalis have a deep-rooted inferiority complex towards Arabs. A Somali in Somalia typically believes that Arabs = Islam.

Somalinimo and Islam must be at a balance, it's like a scale, with each sides having massive ramifications.

Just Islam, with no Somalinimo = Current situation, terrorism running rampant due to an inferiority complex that can easily be mended

Somalinimo, no Islam = Essentially, what MSB tried to do. Somalia is 99.9% Muslim, this will never work.

Somalinimo and Islam = The core tenant of Me and @Samaalic Era's new branch, will ensure that no more foreign ideology's like Salafism plague us, while we maintain our deen.

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[Exodus]

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It's fine

 

[P4$t0]

It's fine

So the government should implement it in Somalia?

 

[Exodus]

So the government should implement it in Somalia?

We want to be a democracy, and Sharia is incompatible with that. I'd prefer if we follow Turkey's model in this regard and not the Gulf Arabs.

 

[P4$t0]

We want to be a democracy, and Sharia is incompatible with that. I'd prefer if we follow Turkey's model in this regard and not the Gulf Arabs.

Okay I got what I needed, I think we're done here.

 

[Exodus]

Okay I got what I needed, I think we're done here.

I'm curious now, what's you verdict of me?

Also, what do you think Somalia should do going forward?

 

[P4$t0]

I'm curious now, what's you verdict of me?

No sane Muslim would oppose the Sharia, which leads me to be suspicious of you.

Also, what do you think Somalia should do going forward?

As we obviously are a Muslim country we should strive to implement the Sharia and be an Islamic country rather than be just a Muslim country.

 

[Exodus]

No sane Muslim would oppose the Sharia, which leads me to be suspicious of you.





As we obviously are a Muslim country we should strive to implement the Sharia and be an Islamic country rather than be a Muslim country.

I worded it poorly, I have no problem with Sharia, but if Somalia wants to become a democracy than it would stand a greater chance of success following the model of Turkey's judicial system rather than the Gulf states.

 

[P4$t0]

I worded it poorly, I have no problem with Sharia, but if Somalia wants to become a democracy than it would stand a greater chance of success following the model of Turkey's judicial system rather than the Gulf states.

Didn't you also say that religion and politics shouldn't mix?

 

[Exodus]

Didn't you also say that religion and politics shouldn't mix?

Historically, they have proven to be a bad combination, so I've probably said something along those lines, why?

 

[P4$t0]

Historically, they have proven to be a bad combination, so I've probably said something along those lines, why?

The Sharia is essentially religion having a hand in politics, you do know that right?

 

[Samaalic Era]

I support this 100% @Samaalic Era.

People forget that a large number of people support Al Shaabab due to Somalis lapping up the Salafist/Wahabbi ideology that was spread by the Saudis that is inherently Pro-Arab. By fabricating Islamic history and creating our own branch of Sunni Islam that is revolved around Somalinimo, there will fewer people supporting Shabaab.

Then, the Arab jecel in Somalia needs to be eradicated, first with displaying evidence of Arabs arming and funding Al-Shabaab (which they do) all over Somalia, then when the vitriol is at it's highest, we spread our new Branch of Islam to the people as an alternative to the Salafi/Wahabbi cancer.

Thanks sxb. You hit the nail on why Al Shabaab has the support it does within Somaliya. We have to remove the Arab Innovation into Islam and thereby protect our Identity and strengthen our role as pioneers within the Muslim World

 

[Exodus]

The Sharia is essentially religion having a hand in politics, you do know that right?

Sharia law is used mainly in the Judicial system, when I say that religion and politics shouldn't mix, I'm referring to Somalia being 99.99% Muslim and not needing fanatics at the leadership role. I want politicians to be judged on how they affect our country, not on what sect of Islam they believe in.

Let Politicians be politicians, and sheikhs be sheikhs, which was my main point

 

[P4$t0]

Sharia law is used mainly in the Judicial system, when I say that religion and politics shouldn't mix, I'm referring to Somalia being 99.99% Muslim and not needing fanatics at the leadership role. I want politicians to be judged on how they affect our country, not on what sect of Islam they believe in.

Let Politicians be politicians, and sheikhs be sheikhs, which was my main point

Fair enough, but still the sharia is to be applied top down in all facets of life from politics to personal life, even though my perspective on you now has changed my point still stands.



Also how is erasing the Sahaba gonna help us keep our Somalinimo intact?

 

[Exodus]

Thanks sxb. You hit the nail on why Al Shabaab has the support it does within Somaliya. We have to remove the Arab Innovation into Islam and thereby protect our Identity and strengthen our role as pioneers within the Muslim World

I don't think Diaspora Somalis on this forum realize how bad the Arab jecel in Somalia, it's so easy to understand why Al-Shabaab are able to recruit so many people, they honestly believe that Arab = Islam

 

[Exodus]

Fair enough, but still the sharia is to be applied top down in all facets of life from politics to personal life, even though my perspective on you now has changed my point still stands.



Also how is erasing the Sahaba gonna help us keep our Somalinimo intact?

You're picking one point and attacking that, even without erasing the Sahaba, we can still find ways of elevating the importance of Somalis in Islam, by promoting new SOMALI figures as heroes, inventing a conversion story, etc. There are many ways to create a Pro-Somali branch of Islam that caters to US and NOT Arabs.