I wasn’t aware women can add a no polygamy clause. I don’t think many women know about this, and we should keep it that way.
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Lol, they do but they hardly do it as there are no Sharia courts in the West and to be honest if a man wants to marry again, no contract is going to stop him and if a woman wants to leave nothing is going to stop her.
Feminism leads to kufr
I never said you were wrong.
Hes wasting his time arguing his point cos hes not making any sense.
I dont have an agenda.
My only agenda is the truth.
How am I lying when the link you referenced is about someone who is not keeping his promise and it is due to a situation beyond his control? And you call that embarrassing? Try to understand the context that the
Hey sis, let us stay on topic. Polygamy up to 4 women is halal and allowed in Islam if the man has enough financial resources, can support all of his wives, and satisfy them as well. He is also required to treat them on an equal basis. That is what ayat and hadiths conveyed to us.
Now, show me where Imam Maliki has taken a different stand.
He doesn't even understand how contracts work.
If she stipulated that he should not take another wife, does he have to adhere to that?
You said that such a stipulation is haram. If it is why would be have to adhere to it?
Are you actually being serious? The whole debate is about whether a Muslim woman can stipulate a no polygamy clause and the scholars have said they can.
Can you not read?!
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If the wife stipulates that her husband should not take another wife, this is a valid condition and he must adhere to it; if he does take another wife, she has the right to annul the marriage contract.
Please read the bit in bold. What does it say. I'm beginning to think you have reading comprehension issues.
The link that you quoted is about a Muslim man who can't keep his promise for a situation that is beyond his control.
Beating the pushes I guess. Enough for me.
It is clearly about this:
Firstly:
If the wife stipulates that her husband should not take another wife, this is a valid condition and he must adhere to it; if he does take another wife, she has the right to annul the marriage contract.
The scholar literally says, that this is a valid condition.
Mu’adh ibn Jabal reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “I guarantee a house on the outskirts of Paradise, a house in the middle of Paradise, and a house in the highest part of Paradise for one who gives up arguing even if he is right, who gives up lying even while joking, and who makes his character excellent.”
Source: al-Mu’jam al-Kabīr 217
Source: al-Mu’jam al-Kabīr 217
Which scholar says that? Remember I asked you any documented opinion on Imam Maliki (ra) since you keep using him. You couldn't present any stipulated writing from Imam Maliki (ra) even though you keep referencing him.
Polygamy is permitted in Islam provided Muslim men can fulfill the conditions attached. I'll share with you the verse:
"And if you have reason to fear that you might not act equitably towards orphans, then marry from among [other] women such as are lawful to you - [even] two, or three, or four: but if you have reason to fear that you might not be able to treat them with equal fairness, then [only] one - or [from among] those whom you rightfully posses. This will make it more likely that you will not deviate from the right course." (Surah an Nisaa - Women, 4:3).
If a Muslim man can fulfill those conditions, he can take a second, third, or 4th wife.
If a Muslim woman has an issue with the verse, then I can only she is on the wrong.
I'll end it here.
We are not talking about whether polygamy is halal. This is something everyone knows. Of course it is halal.
We are talking about adding a polygamy clause to the marriage contract. Why do you keep changing the topic? Anyways this fatwa speaks for itself and you wanted Imam Malik's view:
Yes, these conditions and similar ones are valid according to the madhhab of Imam Ahmad and others among the Sahaabah and Taabi‘een, such as ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Shurayh al-Qaadi, al-Awzaa‘i and Ishaaq. The view of Maalik is that if she stipulates that if he takes another wife or takes a concubine, she has the right to decide [whether to stay married to him or not], then this condition is also valid, and the woman has the right to leave him. This is similar to the view of Ahmad. That is because of the report narrated by [al-Bukhaari and Muslim]
So, clearly according to Imam Hanbali, Imam Malik, Sh ibn Uthaymeen and Ibn Taymiya this is a normal condition within a contract.
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Then the buck stops there. If it is halal and you know it, then the focus should be on justice and the means the man has before he takes on a second, 3rd, or 4th wife.
You referenced Imam Maliki (ra) several times. That is why I kept asking you about proofs. Based on my readings on his reasoning when it comes to polygamy, he was very clear like Hanafi (ra) that Muslim men must have enough financial resources and must be fair and treat all of his wives equally. My readings on other scholars such as Shafi'i, Hanbali (ra), and Hanafi (ra) has been the same as far as I know.
Anyways that was from the scholars of Islamqa and they also used the opinion of Ibn Taymiya. You're free to believe they are wrong, but you have no right to tell people they shouldn't believe what they say.
Yes, these conditions and similar ones are valid according to the madhhab of Imam Ahmad and others among the Sahaabah and Taabi‘een, such as ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Shurayh al-Qaadi, al-Awzaa‘i and Ishaaq. The view of Maalik is that if she stipulates that if he takes another wife or takes a concubine, she has the right to decide [whether to stay married to him or not], then this condition is also valid, and the woman has the right to leave him. This is similar to the view of Ahmad. That is because of the report narrated by [al-Bukhaari and Muslim]
So, clearly according to Imam Hanbali, Imam Malik, Sh ibn Uthaymeen and Ibn Taymiya this is a normal condition within a contract.
Islamqa is run by literalists who sanction what the Saudi govt does. I personally don't take their fatwas at face value.
In Somalia, there are men who kill women with rocks because she's been accused of adultery without taking to their mental health and other situations into account. The same liretalists in Somalia who carry out those acts and the ones who run Islamqa are in the same boat. I personally don't shut them off and, at the same time, don't take everything they claim at face value.
Have a good day. It was nice chatting with you sister @Angelina.
They qouted Imam Hanbali, Imam Maliki ect, so its clearly not just Islamqa's view saxib.Then the buck stops there. If it is halal and you know it, then focus should o treatments and the means the man has before he takes on a second, 3rd, or 4th wife.
You referenced Imam Maliki (ra) several times. That is why I kept asking you about proofs. Based on my readings on his reasoning when it comes to polygamy, he was very clear like Hanafi (ra) that Muslim men must have enough financial resources and must be fair and treat all of his wives equally. My readings on other scholars such as Shafi'i, Hanbali (ra), and Hanafi (ra) has been the same as far as I know.
Islamqa is run by literalists who sanction what the Saudi govt does. I personally don't take their fatwas at face value.
In Somalia, there are men who kill women with rocks because she's been accused of adultery without taking to their mental health and other situations into account. The same liretalists in Somalia who carry out those acts and the ones who run Islamqa are in the same boat. I personally don't shut them off and, at the same time, don't take everything they claim at face value.
Have a good day. It was nice chatting with you sister @Angelina.
You need to accept that this is a valid Islamic opinion that even the Madhab founders had and i'm sure they had better knowledge than you.
Ok show me their writings then? No question Imam Maliki(ra), Shafi'i (ra), Hanafi (ra), and Hanbali (ra) knew better than me. However, keep using their name without showing their work isn't valid reason to justify your argument
Remember, what we're discussing here is the jurisprudence (fiqh) of other scholars. Therefore, any opinion that we post here from those scholars 1) should come from a reputable source; 2) shouldn't contradict the verses in the Holy Qur'an; and 3) you should be able to cite that source.
I have a problem with some of the claims people made and then run to Islamqa. If such an opinion has a wide scholarly support, it should have wide scholarly consensus. A few websites run by literalists whose jurisprudence is weak are not gonna cut it.
You telling me the sheikh who justifies the actions of Prince Mohamed Bin Salman Bin Abdul-Aziz issued that fatwa? I'll take it with a grain of salt. Look at the mess we're in in the Sunni Muslim world. It is liretalists who are run and based in Saudi Arabia who have a big part in it.
Nice talking with you sister @Angelina.
So your whole argument is that Islamqa lied about Imam Malik and ibn Hanbali?
I never said they lied. I just have a problem with how the literalist reason when it comes to fiqh. Their verdicts are quick, and many times don't have the whole context. They don't follow precedence, but just throw fatwas like a flip of a hat.
But since you mixed up Imam Hanbali (ra) with Maliki (ra), then says a lot about you as well lol You use google as your sheikh lol
You made up your mind on polygamy and are then looking for reasons to justify your decision. That is dangerous, sis. You need to first learn the deen - as we all need to do - and then come down to which school of thought you want to follow.
Feminist dogma can't and shouldn't be your guiding principle. Dangerous, if you ask me. lol
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But you're a good person, so I don't hold that against you. Just be careful is all I gotta say.
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You're all over the place. You clearly do think they lied since they used the opinions of Imam Hanbali and Maliki to form their verdict. So you either think they're lying about the scholars or not.I never said they lied. I just have a problem with how the literalist reason when it comes to fiqh. Their verdicts are quick, and many times don't have the whole context. They don't follow precedence, but just throw fatwas like a flip of a hat.
But since you mixed up Imam Hanbali (ra) with Maliki (ra), then says a lot about you as well lol You use google as your sheikh lol
You made up your mind on polygamy and are then looking for reasons to justify your decision. That is dangerous, sis. You need to first learn the deen - as we all need to do - and then come down to which school of thought you want to follow.
Feminist dogma can't and shouldn't be your guiding principle. Dangerous, if you ask me. lolYou don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
But you're a good person, so I don't hold that against you. Just be careful is all I gotta say.
Furthermore, I've always known that a woman can put a clause in her contract. My Islamic teacher even confirmed it. At the end of the day, even if I was to post another fatwa from another site you'd also have issues with it as you're simply following your own opinion rather than taking into consideration other scholarly views. It is a fact that Ibn Taymiya was of the view that such contracts are binding, so did ibn Qudama ect and so did ibn Uthaymeen.
What proof do you have that they don't follow precedence? Are you a person of knowledge? No, so you are arrogant enough to think you know better and I find it insulting that you want to tell me to learn my deen when I take scholarly opinion along with hadith into account and you don't.
Its insulting that you accuse me of falling for feminist dogma. I have a question, was ibn Taymiya falling for feminst dogma when he said this:I never said they lied. I just have a problem with how the literalist reason when it comes to fiqh. Their verdicts are quick, and many times don't have the whole context. They don't follow precedence, but just throw fatwas like a flip of a hat.
But since you mixed up Imam Hanbali (ra) with Maliki (ra), then says a lot about you as well lol You use google as your sheikh lol
You made up your mind on polygamy and are then looking for reasons to justify your decision. That is dangerous, sis. You need to first learn the deen - as we all need to do - and then come down to which school of thought you want to follow.
Feminist dogma can't and shouldn't be your guiding principle. Dangerous, if you ask me. lolYou don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
But you're a good person, so I don't hold that against you. Just be careful is all I gotta say.
And Ibn Taymiyyah writes:
This isn't from IslamQa and the source is on there. You'll probably try to twist it as it doesn't fit your narrative. Let me tell you, I have right to follow the views of Ibn Taymiya for he is 10x more knowledgeable than you. Also, I actually have Islamic teachers who follow the Hanbali Madhab. Funnily enough, ibn Taymiya even mentions the Maliki school of thought having the same opinion as him. Does that mean those great scholars rushed their fatwas?
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