I mean we are doing the same right now, but I understand what you mean and I agree.
We argue whether we identify as Somali or Muslim first - I say we can individually identify as a Muslim, and identify as Somali collectively.
The Pakistani grooming scandal is not our business or issue
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We argue whether we identify as Somali or Muslim first - I say we can individually identify as a Muslim, and identify as Somali collectively.
True, just pointing it out.
OP and the 19 that gave him the agree button are naive to think it’s just a “Pakistani” issue to them.
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definitely an ajanabi troll
He has me blocked, so i can't even see his posts unless someones quotes it. What a chicken.
I was correcting him in a different thread some time ago where he was saying Somalis are known to be rude and i said it was the total opposite, we have a reputation of being friendly , generous and kind and very sociable and showed him sources.
I not only live around Somalis i have traveled to many Somali inhabited areas. The reception has always been good.
We are so unlike Indians, who swarm random white people when they visit them and stand around starring at them.
There is a white travel vlogger who visited both India/Pakistan and Somalia got totally separate treatment, nobody stared at him and people generally payed him no mind.
A prominent Arab YouTuber makes a video about how the Scottish tourist wasn’t treated like a celebrity during his visit to Somalia
He also points out how Somalis don’t have an inferiority complex and compares it to how South Asians and Arabs would film him and take pictures everywhere he went when he visited their countries, whereas he didn’t receive the same treatment in Somalia Go to the settings and turn on the...www.somalispot.com
You can hear it also from African who generally live around Somalis and any time people interview them, they say that we are friendly people and generous.
''Somalis are good people, they are generous, they are friendly and they know how to stay with visitors, there are only few who are Hostile - Many Somalis are Good''
It's just the general reputation we have:
This from a foreign British business group that has been operating in Somalia for years.
''Somalis are extremely open, friendly and hospitable. Strangers become friends before they become acquaintances. Returning the warmth and friendliness is an excellent way to gain trust.''
Advice for Doing Business in Somalia - Chelsea Group
Chelsea Village, who have been successfully doing business in Mogadishu, Somalia since 2015, share important customs and culture tips to enrich the stay of both short and long term visitors to the country.chelseagroupworldwide.com
If acting like a rude public hooligan was a Somali thing you would have the entire internet literred with examples and reports, not just this 1 Johnny Somali habesha dude. You would also have many examples of Somalis tourits just being rude and locals complaining about like the way you see with the Chinese
And contrary to @idc we are not actually known to be rapist at all. The UK stats that includes Somalia among other nationalities are quite possibly fake because they are using Somali passport holders which in most cases are fake assylum seeking Ethiopian/Africans, . New Somali migrants don't enter the UK with a Somali passport.
As far as arrests goes, when it comes to Somalis it can be deeply inflated and false because you have people with names like ''Risman Naitsoka'' and ''Gabre Wounouse'' recorded as Somali migrant sexual offenders. Don't know what that former name is but its clearly not Somali and Gebre is Ethiopian/Habesha name.
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The asylum seekers who've made a mockery of Britain's hospitality
These 75 foreign men and women have made a mockery of British hospitality. They have been convicted in the UK of crimes including paedophilia, rape, knife attacks and murder.www.dailymail.co.uk
Ethiopian asylum seekers commiting crimes and labelled Somali in the UK
Two names appeared on a list by the Daily Mail titled 'The criminal asylum seekers who've made a mockery of Britain's hospitality by carrying out appalling crimes including paedophilia, rape, and murder.'...www.somalispot.com
You can also see that they are not Somali from the mugshots of them.
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Asylum seeker appears in court accused of raping woman at knifepoint in Swindon
The 19-year-old appeared at Swindon Magistrates' Courtwww.wiltshire999s.co.uk
This might be highly specific to the UK and its not just news headlines. @X29 reached out to report them and they gave him this response , so they are recorded in court and by the police as Somali.
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They are basically entering the UK on false identities and Immigration agencies and the Home Office aren't even doing backround checks. There might be a bunch of them recorded as ''Somali'' but really aren't in actuality.
The same ones pass themselves off as Eritreans . I suspect most of those fake assylum seekers are criminals and rejects from in their real countries or are running from the law
Revealed: Fake asylum seekers are conning their way into Britain
The Mail discovered a network of thousands sharing huge swathes of training material to convince case officers they are from Eritrea - because it has a 99 per cent success rate for asylum..
and in others European countries we are extremely underrepresented in sexual offenses
Also it doesn't make sense to use stats in Norway to fuel Elon Musk's sexual offender muslim grooming gang immigrant hate train because they say Somalis are under-represented in sexual offenses:
It also don't reflect any thing to do with lack of integration or hyper violent minority, or overrepresentation in particular. They are comparing the Somali immigrant population that are mainly made up of youth with other populations that are mainly made up of adults. When we know that youth in any population commit more crime than older adults, if you adjust for age and location Somali's and immigrants are not actually over represented in crime.
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I don't believe it's a Pakistani specific problem, i think it's a UK wide urban problem. Pakistanis have a wide diaspora pool , if it was something they specifically engaged in for cultural reasons you will hear about it everywhere , even in the US. I could be a bit wrong though as i am not exactly the most well versed on their cultural peculiarities , but i feel i am right on this after reading reports:
The media and the far right is using them stoke anti-Muslim immigrant xenophobia. They don't care about what nationality they are from. Only that they are Muslim and that's why they are singling them out, so it doesn't matter as we become implicated either way, whether we feel it is our business or not.
The media and the far right is using them stoke anti-Muslim immigrant xenophobia. They don't care about what nationality they are from. Only that they are Muslim and that's why they are singling them out, so it doesn't matter as we become implicated either way, whether we feel it is our business or not.
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Pakistan and India two hideous twins. Wallahi I'd cry every day if I was born a woman in either of those countries.
While true you don't really hear anything bad from Indians and Pakistanis here in the states, the fact remains that the stuff they do in the UK they do in their respective homelands x100. It's a cultural problem. I do think the ones in the UK are terrible as someone brought up the pregnant woman post from last year. There's nothing any of us can do about the mad right wingers, while it's mislabeled hate they have a ground to argue against these barbarians and their sickly culture.
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I wouldn't be worried even if it was your problem to deal with. Rightwing cadaans are pussycats. Many UK cities and towns don't have English majorities anymore. It will be majority non-white by 2070. Waad qabsideyn. If you go to most of the largest cities, unintegrated non-whites act like they own the place and the English that remain look defeated or have joined the unintegrated non-cadaans in solidarity.
I think Somalis (170K) should be more worried about Pakistanis (1.7 million) and other South Asians (many, many millions more) and the treatment they will get from them in the future state of UK. Whites are the least of their problems. They outnumber you and they will discriminate you in ways cadaans can't even dream of. Somalis have zero allies in the UK, also due to insisting that they not be known as Black. Muslims in the UK are racist towards Black people so it's not a good sign.
I think Somalis (170K) should be more worried about Pakistanis (1.7 million) and other South Asians (many, many millions more) and the treatment they will get from them in the future state of UK. Whites are the least of their problems. They outnumber you and they will discriminate you in ways cadaans can't even dream of. Somalis have zero allies in the UK, also due to insisting that they not be known as Black. Muslims in the UK are racist towards Black people so it's not a good sign.
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The 42-year-old was one of six men who were jailed after a trial in 2018 heard one girl had been sexually abused by "at least 100 Asian men" - of British Pakistani heritage - by the time she was 16, while another described being passed around
Rotherham child sex abuse gang ringleader admits rape - BBC News
Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar is serving 23 years for leading a gang that exploited girls in Rotherham.
www.bbc.co.uk
There is no evidence of any other urban communities living with whites engaging in the practices and the perpetrators specifically targeting another ethnic group. Almost every seizable Pakistani community in the UK has had a major grooming gang case.
The fact that hundreds, potentially thousands of men from all types of backgrounds all engaged in rape means that most of the community would have known or chose not to. Imagine if Somali men in the uk were constantly seen with little girls in the back of restaurants or prominent middle aged men were known to be pimping little girls. I doubt they would even get business and most uncles wouldn’t go near them.
Some of the testimonies also highlight racial abuse towards the victims which comes from a culture attitude.
Your an idiot, it's not about Pakistanis, they hate Somalis far more because unlike Pakis you bring nothing of benefit to them, if they had to choose they would deport you first.
To the far right Nazis you are all the same with black Muslims regarded as the worst, if they come after any minority including non Muslims like Sikhs you back them and show them a united front, the only exception are those filthy Hindutva scum you leave them to rot.
They love Useful idiots like you who will sit it out while they eliminate your allies one by one until they come for you in the end and you have no one to back you.
That's essentially what the colonialist did and how they achieved supremacy.
I disagree had the grooming gangs been Somali things would be different, no Muslim would have cared if they attack Pakistanis as a ethnicity for this.
The issue is they bring Islam into this deliberately knowing full well it has nothing to do with it, that's why you see a united front against them, they are essentially coming for us all.
It's why in the crime statistics they ignored Christian countries above us and signalled Somalia out because they are Muslim, they only picked Muslim countries.
Luckily for us these far right baffoons are not as smart as there ancestors who were great at divisions especially having useful idiots like you in abundance.
These idiots attack sikhs and Hindu temples thinking it's a mosque, people who hate Muslims more then they do.
You never change your principles based on the behaviour of others, when someone wants a conflict with you, they will find an excuse for it, and these guys want conflict with Muslims, no amount of niiko from you and disassociation is going to change that.
Pakistanis make up 2% population and 2% sexual crimes against minors, it's proportional, they also make up 6% of doctors, and a large portion of the 20% businesses in the UK that are Asian owned, they bring in 1 billion NET to the country every year, they put Somalis to shame who are a drain to the country in every metric.
The whites are 84% of the population and they make up 90% of sexual crimes against minors in the UK, that's mostly against toddlers not 14 year old girls reached puberty the groomers were targeting.
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They will remain the majority beyond that, 84% white and you can add the other 7% mixed raced children that will side with them.
Living in big cities when it kicks off is the worst, they are all over the country side and will starve you to death, if the far right is able to mobilise even 15% of the average whites it's curtains for us all even if all the minorities unite together which they won't.
All the farmlands are in the country side, as is all industrial production, we produce nothing and have no nation that will back us, we will take knives to a gun fight.
This is why it's crucial for us not turn this into racial thing, and why I despise the dawah bros who casually throw around "white man" which plays into far right hand who want to make it racial to get larger backing from the public.
Mixed raced children won’t side with them. White peoples even Brits lowkey believe in the one drop rule. Anyone raised in the UK knows that mixed raced children with black fathers who are the majority of mixed raced people aren’t treated that differently from mono-racial black people. Even if they wanted to show allegiance to the people of their mother/father, white Brits who are racist will still add them to the mix. The only ones who will be able to get with it are the white passing ones who look identical to whites and then they are slandered and looked at suspiciously by the far right.
Even if they don't, they won't make a difference, more reasons for internal conflicts when you have minorities from such diverse backgrounds coalesce.
What makes me sad about this impending doom we can all see coming, is the pathetic state of Somalia.
When globalization collapses and every nation turns nationalistic and you see mass deportation and flight.
Somalis will be the most affected, no country to go to for the diaspora ,and no remittance for those back home means the catastrophic collapse of Somalia, double whammy.
I will make a thread on this.
Except their not our ally maybe you see it that way cos of your religious views but realistically they won't come to your aid if it was Somalis getting grilled for the same accusations so no need to force a relationship like that. And in the case of deportation it's not a life or death situation. Plenty of safe regions in Somalia too.
What the hell you blabbering about, they are linking the grooming to Islam not Pakistani's.
Even if your one of those Somali apostates, they see as you no different, not even the turban wearing polytheist Sikhs escape their violence, they regularly get attacked on the streets mistaken for Muslims.
Much less a lanky malnourished forehead protruding blick '' like yourself that has Islam written all over his physiognomy, you'll be the first to be lynched, you unprincipled imbecile.
Talking about ally ship when the white supremacist are coming for everyone that is not white, you and those that liked your post are class A fools.
So everyone is a fool but you inquisitive your the only one choosing to defend a bunch of child groomers not me.
@Inquisitive_ is really no different from the @idc , they both posses belligerent racial hate and stereotyped negative bias towards their own community . Anyone describing their own kinsmen in deragatory ways such as ''lanky malnourished forehead protruding blick '' and using pseudo science phrenology like ''like yourself that has Islam written all over his physiognomy'', and you use that wish for the unthinkable to happened to them '' you'll be the first to be lynched, you unprincipled imbecile'' . It's not be reasoned with and listen to.
Imagine thinking you are Muslim focused while describe Allah's creations that way and placing habar on people. Qof fiyow ma tihid. Don't hide behind Muslim solidarity because people like you have none and are more driven by racial politics.
I have also started notice just like other users on this site ya'll love to drive forced comparisons with us and Indians, when we have nothing in common with them but because they see the hate wave against them on social media they want to incorporate Somalis into it, like some opportunists.
I feel the same way about sikhs/hindus as i do with virtually most non-Muslim communities ''waxba kama ima geelin'' how their culture is like and what religion they choose to practice and how India is as a country. If you find them problematic to deal with step away from them simple as that, don't join the hate mob you don't gain anything from it.
As for Pakistanis i am not sure if its a cultural thing or not about the rape gangs, it might be true because these are older men committing it and the deafening silence from that community when these things take place or are revealed. If true it shows something far more problematic beyond islamophobia from the far right, and it's probably a good thing that awareness is created so they can actively combat it and the Pakistani community are forced to go under introspection.
Anyone concerned over the blowback from the anti-immigrant crowd, nothing major will happen to Somalis that isn't already happening as most arrived in the UK are naturalized citizens and come through legal means and are law abiding.
Even in the doomsday scenario chance they deport people illegally and evict them solely based on ethnic origin or religion. Somalis back home are able to care of themselves.
There is more than double the money circulating inside the country every month ( 2billion digital money transactions) more than the 1 billion remittances Somalis send every year. Somalis are self-reliant for the most part and have deep support systems in place and we are mobile enough to find other revenue streams when needed. Also direct foreign investments are increasing in the country and has opened up, so there will be less need for investment from the diaspora.
Somalia will also stand to gain more from Somalis coming back home, i have covered it in different threads how diaspora return to improve educational institutions, health care and create businesses. It's had a surprising transformation.
So @MalcolmFitzhugh08 and others are perhaps correct in a way , that Somalis should to focus on themselves more and avoid entangling themselves when it comes to cultural specific things that pertain to select nationalities. We really don't have the insight or leverage to speak on matters that are outside of us.
Somalis arrived to the UK fleeing war, so there is different set of goals we operate with and different set of expectations put on us than the pakistani community or indians who are basically brain drain economic migrants from abroad, they rob their own home country of human capital resources to benefit white corporations in a society that dislikes them in return. Not really something to envy.
Imagine thinking you are Muslim focused while describe Allah's creations that way and placing habar on people. Qof fiyow ma tihid. Don't hide behind Muslim solidarity because people like you have none and are more driven by racial politics.
I have also started notice just like other users on this site ya'll love to drive forced comparisons with us and Indians, when we have nothing in common with them but because they see the hate wave against them on social media they want to incorporate Somalis into it, like some opportunists.
I feel the same way about sikhs/hindus as i do with virtually most non-Muslim communities ''waxba kama ima geelin'' how their culture is like and what religion they choose to practice and how India is as a country. If you find them problematic to deal with step away from them simple as that, don't join the hate mob you don't gain anything from it.
As for Pakistanis i am not sure if its a cultural thing or not about the rape gangs, it might be true because these are older men committing it and the deafening silence from that community when these things take place or are revealed. If true it shows something far more problematic beyond islamophobia from the far right, and it's probably a good thing that awareness is created so they can actively combat it and the Pakistani community are forced to go under introspection.
Anyone concerned over the blowback from the anti-immigrant crowd, nothing major will happen to Somalis that isn't already happening as most arrived in the UK are naturalized citizens and come through legal means and are law abiding.
Even in the doomsday scenario chance they deport people illegally and evict them solely based on ethnic origin or religion. Somalis back home are able to care of themselves.
There is more than double the money circulating inside the country every month ( 2billion digital money transactions) more than the 1 billion remittances Somalis send every year. Somalis are self-reliant for the most part and have deep support systems in place and we are mobile enough to find other revenue streams when needed. Also direct foreign investments are increasing in the country and has opened up, so there will be less need for investment from the diaspora.
Somalia will also stand to gain more from Somalis coming back home, i have covered it in different threads how diaspora return to improve educational institutions, health care and create businesses. It's had a surprising transformation.
So @MalcolmFitzhugh08 and others are perhaps correct in a way , that Somalis should to focus on themselves more and avoid entangling themselves when it comes to cultural specific things that pertain to select nationalities. We really don't have the insight or leverage to speak on matters that are outside of us.
Somalis arrived to the UK fleeing war, so there is different set of goals we operate with and different set of expectations put on us than the pakistani community or indians who are basically brain drain economic migrants from abroad, they rob their own home country of human capital resources to benefit white corporations in a society that dislikes them in return. Not really something to envy.
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