The real jabarti is Oromo

[Juke]

You're issue is looking at things backward, Ethiopia colonised cushite Agaws not the other way around. Its like saying Turkish people were invaded by Anatolians, the vast majority of their DNA and culture was Cushitic until the recent Solomonic dynasty

Present Agews may retain the culture of the predecessors but they have significant Semitic ancestry just like Habesha.

When the Anglo-Saxons invaded England they brought the Germanic language and mixed but there's still pockets of Celtic culture and language like Welsh.

 

[Juke]

Any sources?

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[NidarNidar]

@Khaemwaset What happened, mate? Falling for these nutters?

From the same loony imposter.

Seriously these Oromos are not beating that 68 IQ allegations.

 

[Khaem]

@Khaemwaset What happened, mate? Falling for these nutters?

From the same loony imposter.

That isn't my account sxb

 

[Abdisamadi]

Presnet Agews may retain the culture of the predeccesors but they have significant Semitic ancestry just like Habesha.

When the Anglo-Saxons invaded England they brough thte Germanic language and mixed but there's still pockets of Celtic culture and language like Welsh.

They have such similar ancestry level because most Habeshas are simply recently converted and assimilated agews, not the other way around. The earlier habeshas probably had more Semetic admixture, then through a wide array of droughts, famines and conquest became as even as the rest. Like the Turks and the Anglo Saxons

 

[Juke]

They have such similar ancestry level because most Habeshas are simply recently converted and assimilated agews, not the other way around. The earlier habeshas probably had more Semetic admixture, then through a wide array of droughts, famines and conquest became as even as the rest. Like the Turks and the Anglo Saxons

That doesn't explain the high Semitic found in all Agews whether Christian, Muslim, Pagan, or Jewish.

What do you mean by "as even as the rest"?

 

[JamalFarah]

All of hararghe oromo are dir and hawiye Somalis. Take a Dna test and they'll average 80% ethnic somali if not straight 100. Same with Bale oromo which are descended from Somali farmers like hararghe.

You go to the western regions of Oromo and they're all sorts of Habasha including Amhara.

Not necessarily, they are descendants of the proto-Somali-Afar ancestor group. When the Cushitics descended from Sudan to the present-day regions of Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and Djibouti, the group had already split into the remaining pastoralist Cushitic speakers who would later form the Afars and Somalis. At that point, the "Oromos" were already moving southward into what is now the Great Lakes regions, along with the extinct Cushitic peoples of Tanzania, Rwanda, and Kenya.

Vestiges of this proto-Somali-Afar group would likely still be present in what we now call Oromia.

A segment of the Oromo group would eventually return north and assimilate into the Boronas aswell as these vestige proto-somali-afar people , contributing to the formation of the modern Oromo identity.

The similarities between Somalis and Oromos only come from the Boorona side of the Oromo group, who when the different ethnic groups fused together and created the Oromo group, was the backbone of their historical, cultural linguistic canon.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

That isn't my account sxb

I know, I meant for even starting a thread for discussion.

Seriously these Oromos are not beating that 68 IQ allegations.

Imagine, 100 years from now, and youngins researching history books, coming upon scrolls of the twitter sphere by these trolls and incels, and taking their outbursts to heart. Some of the material from 1600/1700 is no different, and some of us today read the scribbles of erstwhile incels as if the gospel.

 

[Khaem]

Not necessarily, they are descendants of the proto-Somali-Afar ancestor group. When the Cushitics descended from Sudan to the present-day regions of Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and Djibouti, the group had already split into the remaining pastoralist Cushitic speakers who would later form the Afars and Somalis. At that point, the "Oromos" were already moving southward into what is now the Great Lakes regions, along with the extinct Cushitic peoples of Tanzania, Rwanda, and Kenya.

Vestiges of this proto-Somali-Afar group would likely still be present in what we now call Oromia.

A segment of the Oromo group would eventually return north and assimilate into the Boronas aswell as these vestige proto-somali-afar people , contributing to the formation of the modern Oromo identity.

So they really did come from south Africa

 

[Abdisamadi]

That doesn't explain the high Semitic found in all Agews whether Christian, Muslim, Pagan, or Jewish.

What do you mean by "as even as the rest"?

How doesn't it explain it? You either have two options, either these bronze age semetic tribes assimilated into Cushitic culture, or that as Ethiopia expanded they mixed with Cushitic tribes and dropped their semetic ancestry to lower levels

 

[Abdisamadi]

Not necessarily, they are descendants of the proto-Somali-Afar ancestor group. When the Cushitics descended from Sudan to the present-day regions of Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia, and Djibouti, the group had already split into the remaining pastoralist Cushitic speakers who would later form the Afars and Somalis. At that point, the "Oromos" were already moving southward into what is now the Great Lakes regions, along with the extinct Cushitic peoples of Tanzania, Rwanda, and Kenya.

Vestiges of this proto-Somali-Afar group would likely still be present in what we now call Oromia.

A segment of the Oromo group would eventually return north and assimilate into the Boronas aswell as these vestige proto-somali-afar people , contributing to the formation of the modern Oromo identity.

The similarities between Somalis and Oromos only come from the Boorona side of the Oromo group, who when the different ethnic groups fused together and created the Oromo group, was the backbone of their historical, cultural linguistic canon.

My observation as well, Do you know anything about the Kunama of Eritrea? I'm interested in their origins

 

[Juke]

How doesn't it explain it? You either have two options, either these bronze age semetic tribes assimilated into Cushitic culture, or that as Ethiopia expanded they mixed with Cushitic tribes and dropped their semetic ancestry to lower levels

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Yes the Sabean ancestry is salient in all Central and Northern Ethiopians regardless of material culture, linguistic or religious affiliation. This ancestry is associated with the same migration that brought the Ethio-Semitic languages to the horn.

As for your pic, you're showing me this as if their 18th century practices have any impact on their DNA lol. Modern Agews are genetically Habesha that retained aspects of their pre-Semeticized culture no different than a Welsh person. Anyways this thread was about Oromos before you went on to Agews for some reason. Most of them are fake Oromos.

 

[Khaem]

My observation as well, Do you know anything about the Kunama of Eritrea? I'm interested in their origins

Are the Kunama Nilotes?

 

[Abdisamadi]

Yes the Sabean ancestry is salient in all Central and Northern Ethiopians regardless of material culture, linguistic or religious affiliation. This ancestry is associated with the same migration that brought the Ethio-Semitic languages to the horn.

As for your pic, you're showing me this as if their 18th century practices have any impact on their DNA lol. Modern Agews are genetically Habesha that retained aspects of their pre-Semeticized culture no different than a Welsh person. Anyways this thread was about Oromos before you went on to Agews for some reason. Most of them are fake Oromos.

You're pretty much calling anyone with Sabean ancestry habesh, including the Muslim Cushitic speaking Afar who are at the top of that list.

I'm not a linguistics expert , but where's the proof these languages were here before Ethiopia expanded from the sabean conquered dmt?

 

[Abdisamadi]

Are the Kunama Nilotes?

Nilotic mixed Cushites, their culture is a mix of the two

https://www.slideshare.net/pord_33/all-about-the-kunama-culture

 

[Juke]

You're pretty much calling anyone with Sabean ancestry habesh, including the Muslim Cushitic speaking Afar who are at the top of that list.

No. I'm saying that for anybody that's predominantly Ethio-Semitic such as modern Agews and most Oromos.

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I'm not a linguistics expert , but where's the proof these languages were here before Ethiopia expanded from the sabean conquered dmt?

Who said that? Ethio-Semites obviously expanded from Eritrea.

 

[Abdisamadi]

No. I'm saying that for anybody that's predominantly Ethio-Semitic such as modern Agews and most Oromos. Those weren't actually Afars, Shimbiris told me they're Xamtanga speaking Agaws lol

Who said that? Ethio-Semites obivously expanded from Eritrea.

So they don't speak Ethio Semetic, and till recently they didn't practice Ethio Semetic culture . So again, what makes them Ethio Semetic and not just people conquered by Habeshas?

 

[The alchemist]

That doesn't explain the high Semitic found in all Agews whether Christian, Muslim, Pagan, or Jewish.

What do you mean by "as even as the rest"?

The Agaws were the inverse of the Habash. They got Habash-level Semitic DNA but they had different cultures from the get-go. Habash were Semites that retained their Semitic roots and identity (stated clearly by their languages) while the offspring, although having more Agaw-like DNA, identified with the Sabaean culture, not Agaw, which makes them not mere shifters of language. Basically, the Agaw got 20-30% Semitic DNA, while Semites got 70-80% Agaw-like DNA. These are very different identity-group processes. Later the real Agaws and Habash likely had proximal geneflow while retaining distinct cultures, which is the reason they all look similar admixture-wise and is very stable throughout the Habasho-sphere. This phenomenon, though, is an Ethiopian thing. Distinct linguistic groups in Ethiopia that live close to each other (minus Somalis) are way similar, compared to some people belonging to the same ethnic group living somewhere far off.

By the way, paganism can go in wild ways, rapidly. It has no bearing on the conversation as if it negates anything. The early Axumites before becoming Christians were pagans. This argument of theirs is not even weak, it is not worth mentioning.

I think it's best you save your breath. None of these people read what it takes to hold this conversation in the first place. It's pure irrational speculation while denying facts for whatever childish dreams they hold in their heads.

 

[Abdisamadi]

The Agaws were the inverse of the Habash. They got Habash-level Semitic DNA but they had different cultures from the get-go. Habash were Semites that retained their Semitic roots and identity (stated clearly by their languages) while the offspring, although having more Agaw-like DNA, identified with the Sabaean culture, not Agaw, which makes them not mere shifters of language. Basically, the Agaw got 20-30% Semitic DNA, while Semites got 70-80% Agaw-like DNA. These are very different identity-group processes. Later the real Agaws and Habash likely had proximal geneflow while retaining distinct cultures, which is the reason they all look similar admixture-wise and is very stable throughout the Habasho-sphere. This phenomenon, though, is an Ethiopian thing. Distinct linguistic groups in Ethiopia that live close to each other (minus Somalis) are way similar, compared to some people belonging to the same ethnic group living somewhere far off.

By the way, paganism can go in wild ways, rapidly. It has no bearing on the conversation as if it negates anything. The early Axumites before becoming Christians were pagans. This argument of theirs is not even weak, it is not worth mentioning.

I think it's best you save your breath. None of these people read what it takes to hold this conversation in the first place. It's pure irrational speculation while denying facts for whatever childish dreams they hold in their heads.

My argument was literally that the early Axumites and pre Axumites were the arbiters of Semetic culture while Agaws with Semetic ancestry clearly had a Cushitic culture, please explain what's wrong with my thought process

 

[Juke]

The Agaws were the inverse of the Habash. They got Habash-level Semitic DNA but they had different cultures from the get-go. Habash were Semites that retained their Semitic roots and identity (stated clearly by their languages) while the offspring, although having more Agaw-like DNA, identified with the Sabaean culture, not Agaw, which makes them not mere shifters of language. Basically, the Agaw got 20-30% Semitic DNA, while Semites got 70-80% Agaw-like DNA. These are very different identity-group processes. Later the real Agaws and Habash likely had proximal geneflow while retaining distinct cultures, which is the reason they all look similar admixture-wise and is very stable throughout the Habasho-sphere. This phenomenon, though, is an Ethiopian thing. Distinct linguistic groups in Ethiopia that live close to each other (minus Somalis) are way similar, compared to some people belonging to the same ethnic group living somewhere far off.

By the way, paganism can go in wild ways, rapidly. It has no bearing on the conversation as if it negates anything. The early Axumites before becoming Christians were pagans. This argument of theirs is not even weak, it is not worth mentioning.

I think it's best you save your breath. None of these people read what it takes to hold this conversation in the first place. It's pure irrational speculation while denying facts for whatever childish dreams they hold in their heads.

As an aside the big Ethiopian study was delayed last month but I'm gonna get the g25 coords as soon as it drops