The world must apologize to the white men of South Africa. He was right all along. The world now has to deal with these savages

[Omar del Sur]

As I stated to you in another thread, Mandela was sympathetic to communism.

But the idea that he was planning to implement or implemented a communist government in South Africa was a fallacy painted by the National Party in order to maintain global support for apartheid.

Read this wikipedia article about the Suppression of Communism Act of 1950.

Suppression of Communism Act, 1950 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm open to a discussion on the subject but I don't believe people just become best buddies with Fidel Castro for no reason. Look at the relationship between Ethiopia and Cuba.

If you make a deal with the devil, will the devil not expect some concessions from you in return? Fidel is like the devil. He really does offer some things but there is no way that he is giving his assistance without anything in exchange.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I provide you reading material and you choose to deny it.

Your loss.

You provided a Wikipedia article.

 

[Periplus]

I'm open to a discussion on the subject but I don't believe people just become best buddies with Fidel Castro for no reason. Look at the relationship between Ethiopia and Cuba.

If you make a deal with the devil, will the devil not expect some concessions from you in return? Fidel is like the devil. He really does offer some things but there is no way that he is giving his assistance without anything in exchange.

He had no choice but to turn to Fidel Castro. The West supported apartheid and Cuba provided funds.

Not every leader that was buddies with Fidel was communist.

Was Pierre Trudeau communist because him and Castro were best buds? No, Canada is capitalist.

You provided a Wikipedia article.

I provided a wikipedia article because it summarised the point easily and succinctly.

Also, it was article about a historic piece of legislation, there is very little room for error as opposed to a subjective topic like an ongoing conflict.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I cannot morally sit back and accept for it to be propagated that SA is a failure of blacks rather than communism. I'm a villain because I want the blame to be pinned on communism rather than a race?

it is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows anything about Cuba that it is not just a coincidence that Mandela was such a close buddy of Fidel Castro.... anyone who knows anything about Cuba should understand very readily what that relationship means.... the idea that birds of a feather flock together isn't some new idea that I'm just making up

 

[Periplus]

I cannot morally sit back and accept for it to be propagated that SA is a failure of blacks rather than communism. I'm a villain because I want the blame to be pinned on communism rather than a race?

it is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows anything about Cuba that it is not just a coincidence that Mandela was such a close buddy of Fidel Castro.... anyone who knows anything about Cuba should understand very readily what that relationship means.... the idea that birds of a feather flock together isn't some new idea that I'm just making up

Mate, I argued on this thread that the problems in South Africa is due to the lingering effects of apartheid not their African population.

It is not the fault of the Blacks or Communists. The fault lies with Malan, Verwoerd et al.

 

[Aurelian]

What's actually wrong with this country, there must be something behind it, this accelerated destruction don't happen from the masses.

 

[Periplus]

What's actually wrong with this country, there must be something behind it, this accelerated destruction don't happen from the masses.

The problem in South Africa is that people quickly realised that the end of apartheid did not mean the end of economic inequality and systemic racism.

It has been less than 30 years since apartheid ended. It was a more deeply entrenched racial segregation than the US, which has still not recovered 200 years later.

So I really do not get ppl that expected South Africa to fix itself overnight. It gets worse before it gets better.

 

[Unicorn]

Do u get paid by kissing white ass?

 

[Omar del Sur]

Mate, I argued on this thread that the problems in South Africa is due to the lingering effects of apartheid not their African population.

It is not the fault of the Blacks or Communists. The fault lies with Malan, Verwoerd et al.

so Cuba just helped them purely out of the goodness of their hearts? no one who knows anything about Cuba would be fooled

 

[Omar del Sur]

Do u get paid by kissing white ass?

I thought I was supposedly a China shill?

before the narrative was I'm anti-Western now I'm for white people?

I'm a bad guy because I lean towards China and I maybe am not so opposed to the Taliban... but I represent white people?

You see the world in a bipolar fashion. West vs East. That's just not the case. You are looking for things that aren't there to support your anti Western view.

@Omar del Sur...

Your threads reek of an anti-American agenda

so I'm anti-Western and have an anti-American agenda but I represent white people?

 

[Periplus]

so Cuba just helped them purely out of the goodness of their hearts? no one who knows anything about Cuba would be fooled

Who knows? Maybe Castro was expecting Mandela to lead a communist government in Sth Africa when he started assisting the anti-apartheid movement.

What I can tell you is that when Mandela became president of Sth Africa in 1994, he took over a country much more powerful and wealthier than Cuba. The Castro regime suffered massively after the fall of the USSR and I do not think they were in any position to dictate policy to a stronger country when their own nation was in ruins in 1994.

 

[reer]

Who knows? Maybe Castro was expecting Mandela to lead a communist government in Sth Africa when he started assisting the anti-apartheid movement.

What I can tell you is that when Mandela became president of Sth Africa in 1994, he took over a country much more powerful and wealthier than Cuba. The Castro regime suffered massively after the fall of the USSR and I do not think they were in any position to dictate policy to a stronger country when their own nation was in ruins in 1994.

castro wanted to project cuban communist power but he couldnt in latin america without direct usa confrontation. so he went to work in africa where they wouldnt batter him into the stone age.

 

[Amirah]

The only reason why they’re even on the map and have immigrants in the first place is because
of the white man. Waa xoolo! Smh

 

[Periplus]

castro wanted to project cuban communist power but he couldnt in latin america without direct usa confrontation. so he went to work in africa where they wouldnt batter him into the stone age.

By time many of these organisations they backed got independence, Cuba was in financial trouble and was in no position to force them to do anything.

Imagine broke Castro trying to force Mandela, the president of a much richer and stronger country.

 

[reer]

By time many of these organisations they backed got independence, Cuba was in financial trouble and was in no position to force them to do anything.

Imagine broke Castro trying to force Mandela, the president of a much richer and stronger country.

cuban economy was subsidized by the soviets. castro was practically broke after 1991.

 

[Periplus]

The only reason why they’re even on the map and have immigrants in the first place is because
of the white man. Waa xoolo! Smh

This is simply not true and ahistorical.

South Africa gained much of its economic wealth, even until to this day, from the mining boom. The cadaan basically used the Black majority as free labour for generations and divided the profit amongst themselves. When you divide money amongst a small group of people, they all get a big share.

With legislation such as the Bantu Education act, they made sure the Blacks remained uneducated and could only work in fields such as hospitality, domestic work and other unskilled subservient labour.

This basically allowed the cadaan to keep the Africans as a source of menial labour until the 1990s. South Africa would be no-where without the exploitation of Africans for generations.

 

[Basra]

America is to blame. And George Floyd. America sets bad habits to the world. I am ashamed

the guy who said where am i going to get paid now? Please-- get a gun and shoot all of them. Die doing the right thing.

 

[reer]

This is simply not true and ahistorical.

South Africa gained much of its economic wealth, even until to this day, from the mining boom. The cadaan basically used the Black majority as free labour for generations and divided the profit amongst themselves. When you divide money amongst a small group of people, they all get a big share.

With legislation such as the Bantu Education act, they made sure the Blacks remained uneducated and could only work in fields such as hospitality, domestic work and other unskilled subservient labour.

This basically allowed the cadaan to keep the Africans as a source of menial labour until the 1990s. South Africa would be no-where without the exploitation of Africans for generations.

its also important to know that even though apartheid ended south africa did not rip out the roots of colonialism and apartheid. so they left the whites alone with their place in society like namibia. in soutb africa and namibia whites are a minority but own 60%+ of wealth due to colonialism. so now you have "partial economic mini apartheid". yes blacks live better. but the majority of blacks live poor comoared to majority of whites.

 

[Periplus]

its also important to know that even though apartheid ended south africa did not rip out the roots of colonialism and apartheid. so they left the whites alone with their place in society like namibia. in soutb africa and namibia whites are a minority but own 60%+ of wealth due to colonialism. so now you have "partial economic mini apartheid". yes blacks live better. but the majority of blacks live poor comoared to majority of whites.

I completely agree.

Essentially, the government realised if they ripped the roots of the economy to end economic apartheid, they will end like Zimbabwe, however if they do nothing then its just same apartheid new government.

They gambled on doing nothing in the hopes more Blacks will be able to make it out and create generational wealth on their own.

 

[Omar del Sur]

By time many of these organisations they backed got independence, Cuba was in financial trouble and was in no position to force them to do anything.

Imagine broke Castro trying to force Mandela, the president of a much richer and stronger country.

What country specifically is a Cuban colony?

The idea that Cuba would want to establish a colony and practice British-style colonialism is not in keeping with the reality of how Cuban policy works.

The way Cuba works... and it's not even necessarily about Cuban interests... they are an ideological state.... the way they work is they prop up their buddies.... Mengistu in Ethiopia... Chávez in Venezuela... FMLN in El Salvador... Sandininstas in Nicaragua...

it's not that they establish puppet governments or colonies... it is that they help their buddies but their buddies are necessarily those who support a Communist agenda... and just because someone doesn't directly and openly identify as a Communist doesn't mean that they're not involved with a Communist agenda...

Mandela did not "pull one over" on Fidel... Fidel was a genius... he was not going to help someone like Mandela unless he was going to be advancing his aims... and Fidel himself was a servant of an international Communist agenda