These Anti-LGBTQ Threads Are Disgusting

[JudgeJoeGorilla]

True I was an idiot thinking there was a way to get muslims to be slightly sympathetic towards homosexuals.

Maybe, more Liberal and Moderate Muslims would be more sympathetic. I've learned in this thread that you can not be rational with a religious extremist.

 

[Barni]

Maybe, more Liberal and Moderate Muslims would be more sympathetic. I've learned in this thread that you can not be rational with a religious extremist.

Those ppl literally sugarcoat islam at least the extremist r honest, but hey I also learnt that I am the biggest walking contradiction ever.

 

[Internet Nomad]

Do you have a problem with Dawah?

It is not Muslims who introduced this degenerate topic but Muslims should always refute it and make Islams position clear.

Dont you think having a 200+ thread where no ground was covered is dawah

 

[DubatDiaries]

And so what if France is hostile to Islam? Can they not preserve their culture? Imagine the uproar if missionaries tried to open up Christian schools in Mogadishu.

I’d have a problem with missionaries opening up schools for “Somali kids.”
If there was a community of Christians who took their own children to a private religious school that is 100% okay. That is not an issue.
the French government feels like they have some ownership over the children of Muslims and are fighting to influence them over their parents and community.
Have you seen Jijiga? Oromo and Amhara Christians are out in full force. They have their schools we have ours… it’s expected
Come back with a better argument next time @seldiboy

 

[AMusee]

 

[seldiboy]

I’d have a problem with missionaries opening up schools for “Somali kids.”
If there was a community of Christians who took their own children to a private religious school that is 100% okay. That is not an issue.
the French government feels like they have some ownership over the children of Muslims and are fighting to influence them over their parents and community.
Have you seen Jijiga? Oromo and Amhara Christians are out in full force. They have their schools we have ours… it’s expected
Come back with a better argument next time @seldiboy

Ethiopia has been a religiously plural society for centuries so there isn’t as much friction. Islam is foreign to France and is at odds with French values. Since the French govt views these children as French before Muslim, then of course they are going to take a paternalistic stance towards their education. Especially with the rise of Wahhabism and past terrorism in France, they have every right to try to exert influence on people within their country

 

[DubatDiaries]

Ethiopia has been a religiously plural society for centuries so there isn’t as much friction. Islam is foreign to France and is at odds with French values. Since the French govt views these children as French before Muslim, then of course they are going to take a paternalistic stance towards their education. Especially with the rise of Wahhabism and past terrorism in France, they have every right to try to exert influence on people within their country

Christianity is as foreign to the Somali regions of “Ethiopia” as Islam is to France. It’s either we’re for the majority group dictating and enforcing their own values to your children or not. Don’t be mad when the lgbtq folks do it…

 

[seldiboy]

Christianity is as foreign to the Somali regions of “Ethiopia” as Islam is to France. It’s either we’re for the majority group dictating and enforcing their own values to your children or not. Don’t be mad when the lgbtq folks do it…

The Somali regions of Ethiopia are Ethiopia (regardless of whether that is just) and so making the distinction is pointless since internal migration is inevitable. LGBTQ folks will always be a minority

 

[Kalsoon]

Maybe, more Liberal and Moderate Muslims would be more sympathetic. I've learned in this thread that you can not be rational with a religious extremist.

What y’all need isn’t sympathy. It’s guidance from Allah. Nothing rational or intellectually superior about your stances on this group or lifestyle.

Just because you’re very unfamiliar with Islam doesn’t mean we are extreme in our beliefs. More liberal and “moderate” Muslims would indulge the gay delusion either because they’re ignorant of their faith or they’re trying to appease nonbelievers.

 

[DubatDiaries]

The Somali regions of Ethiopia are Ethiopia (regardless of whether that is just) and so making the distinction is pointless since internal migration is inevitable. LGBTQ folks will always be a minority

My bad, “socially liberal” folks.

Just to understand your position better, you support for example; Somalia (where basically 100% of the natives are Muslims) dictate what communities of Christian Oromo and habesha migrants learn in their schools /churches. You’re okay with this hypothetical Somali government enforcing mandatory education, that directly contradicts with their culture and religion?
just curious?

 

[seldiboy]

My bad, “socially liberal” folks.

Just to understand your position better, you support for example; Somalia (where basically 100% of the natives are Muslims) dictate what communities of Christian Oromo and habesha migrants learn in their schools /churches. You’re okay with this hypothetical Somali government enforcing mandatory education, that directly contradicts with their culture and religion?
just curious?

At no point did I infer what my preferences for governance were. As the scenario you posited is pretty much already the case and the original post that I replied to seemed to be in support of it, I pointed out their hypocrisy.

In an ideal world, schools would allow free religious practice. However since this is not the case, especially in Muslim countries where they are not exactly beacons of personal freedoms, then Western countries are well within their rights to reciprocate. It’s a case of tit for tat. If Muslim countries loosen their restrictions, then I am prepared to do the same

 

[Danakiil]

Bisexual girls be bad asf ong never met a clapped one. Lesbian girls make good homies too. Gay niggas kinda annoying lowkey they act like black women ifs cringe. Trans people? I'm not commenting on

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

This was an informative discussion, if at times careening off to the wilderness, but as I learnt when discussing contested subjects with Somalis, a smart, dynamic, if impatient group, one has to be patient, which is naturally scarce.

@Omar del Sur @AMusee @Warda
Could you perhaps research, and share teachings of Islam as to the possible punishment for females? I think it would be beneficial to @Barni , and others.

Addendum:
More disconcerting, at least to me, if perhaps overlooked by others was where @JudgeJoeGorilla, in passing, disclosed he was a Zionist, whilst debating Muslims, which hardly attracted attention; it is as if implications of C. Weizmann's legacy is not widely prevalent, or is not being recognised. @JudgeJoeGorilla I shall PM you to further discuss Zionism, if you do not mind my doing so. I do not wish to inject another subject into this discussion.

 

[AMusee]

I’m not contradictory myself. I gave an example of how they weren’t suppressing Muslims and that even if they were, they would have every right to do so. Islam is literally at odds with France’s “open, secular and liberal” as well as “religious freedom”. See: Paradox of tolerance.

Ethiopia has been a religiously plural society for centuries so there isn’t as much friction. Islam is foreign to France and is at odds with French values. Since the French govt views these children as French before Muslim, then of course they are going to take a paternalistic stance towards their education. Especially with the rise of Wahhabism and past terrorism in France, they have every right to try to exert influence on people within their country

You are contradicting yourself.

You did not give any examples. You just mentioned Islamic schools are still allowed and I informed you they were suppressed and state controlled. Hijabs have been banned in schools, homeschooling has been banned. You tried to first insinuate these laws are not targeting Muslims, it is clear they are targeting and suppressing Muslims, which you agree with, then what are you arguing with me about?

France Wants to Eradicate Islam From Education: Is There Any Future for Muslims in France?​

https://muslimskeptic.com/2022/12/04/france-eradicate-islam-education/

France record of their suppression of Islam and Muslims is well known. You saying it is justified in your view is a completely different argument. I understand that liberalism is their religion and their slogans of tolerance, freedom, equality, parental rights to their child etc are empty. Muslims and Islam do not pretend to be tolerant of everything so I do not understand why you bring Somalia up.

These liberals pretend they are tolerant and attack Islam and Muslims with things they are far more guilty of with their history of violence and suppression.



I am not surprised by France or any non-Muslim regime and my post was in response to a fellow Muslim informing him about the importance of homeschooling and I spend a lot of time here posting about the hypocrisy of the liberal world order. It is also not just "French" citizens these countries are concerned about but they try to force Muslim countries to adopt their liberal religious laws.

Again, I do not understand what you are arguing about.

 

[Yaraye]

what's up 12 pg threads these days?

 

[Lowkey]

what's up 12 pg threads these days?

threads about Khanisiin tend to blow up.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

@Barni

 

[DubatDiaries]

As the scenario you posited is pretty much already the case and the original post that I replied to seemed to be in support of it,

Interesting… unless you come up with examples, I doubt it.

In an ideal world, schools would allow free religious practice.

That’s not my point, I don’t expect a public/ government run school to support free religious practice. Public schools usually do educate and support the values of their respective states. I’m not against it. I’m talking about private community-run schools. The French government went to the extent of restricting homeschooling in an attempt to curb “Islamization”, which is quite illiberal(against acclaimed French values) and borderline insane.

However since this is not the case, especially in Muslim countries where they are not exactly beacons of personal freedoms, then Western countries are well within their rights to reciprocate. It’s a case of tit for tat. If Muslim countries loosen their restrictions, then I am prepared to do the same

So no guiding political ideology? Was this whole liberal nation-state concept just a means to an end?
“A case of tit for tat” - 3/4 of the world are still yet to get their tat on western countries lol

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France can and should openly say they don’t want North African Muslims in their country. It’s okay, it is their own country after all but they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[AMusee]

At no point did I infer what my preferences for governance were. As the scenario you posited is pretty much already the case and the original post that I replied to seemed to be in support of it, I pointed out their hypocrisy.

In an ideal world, schools would allow free religious practice. However since this is not the case, especially in Muslim countries where they are not exactly beacons of personal freedoms, then Western countries are well within their rights to reciprocate. It’s a case of tit for tat. If Muslim countries loosen their restrictions, then I am prepared to do the same

Where was the hypocrisy? You are only arguing against yourself. The only hypocrisy lies in liberals pretending to support freedom of religion, thought, speech, equality under the law, parental rights to educate their children etc. These are not principles Islam espouses to be hypocrisy but it is the liberals who use these empty slogans while they are the least tolerant and are prolific in their forced indoctrination and unfair applications of laws. Muslim countries should never loosen restrictions, and liberals should drop the empty slogans and accept they are everything they accuse "religious, and religions" of especially Islam. The only things they tolerate is liberalism and its principles and it is the same for Islam and always has been.

 

[AMusee]

This was an informative discussion, if at times careening off to the wilderness, but as I learnt when discussing contested subjects with Somalis, a smart, dynamic, if impatient group, one has to be patient, which is naturally scarce.

@Omar del Sur @AMusee @Warda
Could you perhaps research, and share teachings of Islam as to the possible punishment for females? I think it would be beneficial to @Barni , and others.

Addendum:
More disconcerting, at least to me, if perhaps overlooked by others was where @JudgeJoeGorilla, in passing, disclosed he was a Zionist, whilst debating Muslims, which hardly attracted attention; it is as if implications of C. Weizmann's legacy is not widely prevalent, or is not being recognised. @JudgeJoeGorilla I shall PM you to further discuss Zionism, if you do not mind my doing so. I do not wish to inject another subject into this discussion.

He is a Zionist who comes on a predominantly Muslim forum to promote prnography, homosexuality, and prostitution. It is no surprise.