Things are heating up in Tigray region

[DivineMartial]

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1900181357776543979

Ethiopia and Eritrea on Brink of War

Tensions escalate between Ethiopia and Eritrea, risking direct conflict.

Tigray officials warn of imminent war, citing internal power struggles.

Military mobilization observed, with both countries deploying forces near the border.

Eritrea has ordered nationwide military mobilization.

Ethiopia has deployed troops toward the Eritrean border.

The Ethiopian defense minister( an Afar woman) said all Afar territory(in Djibouti and Eritrea) is Ethiopian. She even claimed port Sudan city as Ethiopian and all that land will one day come back to Ethiopia kulaha. Her speech was in 4th Februrary just a month ago.

 

[NidarNidar]

The Ethiopian defense minister( an Afar woman) said all Afar territory(in Djibouti and Eritrea) is Ethiopian. She even claimed port Sudan city as Ethiopian and all that land will one day come back to Ethiopia kulaha. Her speech was in 4th Februrary just a month ago.

Always the ethiopian lapdogs.

 

[EritreanPost_]

The Ethiopian defense minister( an Afar woman) said all Afar territory(in Djibouti and Eritrea) is Ethiopian. She even claimed port Sudan city as Ethiopian and all that land will one day come back to Ethiopia kulaha. Her speech was in 4th Februrary just a month ago.

I don’t think she said that, this guy who is Oromo just added words

 

[Neptune]

 

[Sup]

@EritreanPost_
hey bloke, mind telling me what sparked this conflict ? Surely Ethiopia isn’t dumb enough to start a multi front war ?

 

[always hungryy]

If Eritrea get invaded somalis must send soldiers.

Just send anything. We can't watch Eritrea be invaded

 

[Shimbiris]

We don’t support TPLF nor do we fight them

I'm a bit ignorant on the history, why don't the two groups ally much or even seem to like each other? Aren't Biher-Tigrinya and Tigray-Tigrinya basically the same people? It's like Galbeed Somalis and coastal Somalis, no? Same language, same religion over an even smaller area than Somaliweyn... why is there a political disconnect?

 

[Burqad]

I'm a bit ignorant on the history, why don't the two groups ally much or even seem to like each other? Aren't Biher-Tigrinya and Tigray-Tigrinya basically the same people? It's like Galbeed Somalis and coastal Somalis, no? Same language, same religion over an even smaller area than Somaliweyn... why is there a political disconnect?

Eritreans and Tigrayans aren’t the same species, let alone the same people

 

[Shimbiris]

Eritreans and Tigrayans aren’t the same species, let alone the same people

I had a good friend of Biher-Tigrinya descent for many years from about a decade ago now who essentially saw Tigray-Tigrinyas as the same people as his people. I mean it's the exact same language and they actually form a tight-ish genetic cluster almost the way Somalis do, from what I recall. They're genetically a real ethnicity unlike Amharas and Oromos who are an amalgam of different Cushitic and Ethiosemitic people who've been made to adopt either Amharic or Oromo as their mother tongue via various means. Ethnically speaking it really is like Galbeed Somalis and Somalis in Somalia.

So yes, I'm confused as to why they have such a strong political disconnect as I'm not privy to their early modern history all that much. Never did any reading on it, to be frank.

 

[Burqad]

I had a good friend of Biher-Tigrinya descent for many years from about a decade ago now who essentially saw Tigray-Tigrinyas as the same people as his people. I mean it's the exact same language and they actually form a tight-ish genetic cluster almost the way Somalis do, from what I recall. They're genetically a real ethnicity unlike Amharas and Oromos who are an amalgam of different Cushitic and Ethiosemitic people who've been made to adopt either Amharic or Oromo as their mother tongue via various means. Ethnically speaking it really is like Galbeed Somalis and Somalis in Somalia.

So yes, I'm confused as to why they have such a strong political disconnect as I'm not privy to their early modern history all that much. Never did any reading on it, to be frank.

Tigrayans and Tigrinya aren’t the same people. It isn’t even close to Western Somalia, they haven’t been part of the same state for 800 years.

As for language that means nothing. Swedes and Norwegians are mutually intelligible. They don’t see each other as the same

 

[Shimbiris]

Tigrayans and Tigrinya aren’t the same people. It isn’t even close to Western Somalia, they haven’t been part of the same state for 800 years

? They were both literally ruled by the same dynasty less than 200 years ago:

He ruled over both Eritrean and Tigrayan Tigrinyas. 800 years? Where did you get that? My general sense has always been that they were basically the same people until the Italians came in and caused a division where Tigrayan-Tigrinyas remained within the Solomonic dominion and Eritrean/Biher-Tigrinyas became part of the Italian colonial rule and overtime the two groups diverged.

I'm not that ignorant on their history. I just haven't kept up much with what went on between 1900 to now but before that I am pretty aware and these are the same people, saaxiib. So I'm surprised that division has remained so much and persists today cos this is seriously just the same language and people at the core of it, walaal.

 

[DivineMartial]

I don’t think she said that, this guy who is Oromo just added words

Do you understand Amharic?

 

[Burqad]

? They were both literally ruled by the same dynasty less than 200 years ago:

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He ruled over both Eritrean and Tigrayan Tigrinyas. 800 years? Where did you get that? My general sense has always been that they were basically the same people until the Italians came in and caused a division where Tigrayan-Tigrinyas remained within the Solomonic dominion and Eritrean/Biher-Tigrinyas became part of the Italian colonial rule and overtime the two groups diverged.

I'm not that ignorant on their history. I just haven't kept up much with what went on between 1900 to now but before that I am pretty aware and these are the same people, saaxiib. So I'm surprised that division has remained so much and persists today cos this is seriously just the same language and people at the core of it, walaal.

Ras Alula was a Tigrayan who invaded Medri Bahr, that’s why the red arrow points up. Medri Bahri (Land of the Sea) was an independent Eritrean kingdom between 1137–1890.

 

[Burqad]

“Even in those distant times, however, it is clear that the land and people of highland Eritrea were distinct from people of Tigray, even though they spoke the same language-just as the Austrians, Swiss Germans and the Germans of today are very different people (1998, Roy Pateman, P.33).”

These difference were made even more clearer when Portuguese missionaries of the 16th centuries started entering the region. In the early 1500s AD, a Portuguese missionary named Francisco Alvarez reported that Tigray’ s border with Medri-Bahri was the Mereb River, which till this day shapes much of Eritrea’s border with Ethiopia.

"Here; this river, the Mareb, separates the country of the Bahar Nagash from that of Tigray" (1970, Francisco Alvarez, P. 91)

Francisco Alvarez continues with his description of differences with,

The men (of Medri-Bahri) wear different costumes; so also the women who are married or living with men. Here (Tigray), they wear wrapped round them dark coloured woolen stuffs, with large fringes of the same stuff, and they do not wear diadems on their heads like those of the Barnagasi (Midri-Bahri people)". -(1970, Francisco Alvarez, P. 91-2)

The Portuguese were so convinced of these clear distinctions between Medri-Bahri and Tigray people, that they published a map in 1660 that showcased Medri Bahri as being separate from not only Tigray, but Abyssinia all together.

A Portuguese map of 1660 shows Medri Bahri as covering most of the three highland provinces of Eritrea and distinct from Ethiopia. (1998, Roy Pateman, p. 36)

In 1680, Medri-Bahri’s political process was described by the German scholar J. Ludolph as being a “Federal Republic“. This democratic “republic” political process was found no where else in the horn of Africa and was distinct to the Biher-Tigrinya people of Medri Bahri.

"J. Ludolph, the Great German scholar whose studies on the East are known all over the world, described the Medri Bahri as a Federal Republic." (1977, Forschung, P. 38)

In 1770, the Scottish researcher James Bruce even gives the boundary of Tigray, which does not include the Biher-Tigrinya (Kebessa) people. According to Bruce, Tigray’s border with Medri Bahri (or BahrNegash) was indeed the Mereb river.

"The greatest length of Tigre (Tigray) is two hundred miles, and the greatest breadth one hundred and twenty. It lies between the territory of the BaharNagash (which reaches to the river Mareb) on the east, and the river Tacazze on the west." (1860, James Bruce, p.83)

James Bruce also reported Medri Bahri and Abyssinia were two “distinctly separate political entities who were constantly at war with each other” . This shows us without a doubt that the Bhier-Tigrinya people of Medri-Bahri had a different political process from Tigray and Abyssinia all together.

"In 1770 the Scottish traveler James Bruce also reported that Medri-Bahri and Abyssinia were two distinctly separate political entities constantly at war with each other." (1991, Okbazghi Yohannes, P. 31)

 

[EritreanPost_]

Do you understand Amharic?

A little, but I have fam and friends who speak it and translate me