thoughts on atheism

[Omar del Sur]

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Most evil people on earth. Shaytaans foot soldiers

 

[Homerlilian]

Dense and arrogant is the best wording of choice .

 

[Khanderson]

Most agnostic disguised themselves as atheists:

 

[Omar del Sur]

part 2

 

[Omar del Sur]

Most agnostic disguised themselves as atheists:

honestly it makes me very sad that you are not Muslim but I am hopeful that it may be a phase and Allah will guide you. to my knowledge, you are irreligious but you're not one of the militant atheist types like for example Dawkins. Obviously I would be lying if I said I approved of your beliefs but... I think a lot of irreligious types are much worse than you. not all irreligious types are equally bad in terms of their character and so one that has better character, it may be that Allah will decide to guide them.

 

[Lightshow]

I think they are of very low consciousness, probably close to soulless.

Atheists are the lowest of human hierarchy, but modern society is a lights out engulfed in darkness kind of place.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I think they are of very low consciousness, probably close to soulless.

Atheists are the lowest of human hierarchy, but modern society is a lights out engulfed in darkness kind of place.

the thing I'm glad about here.... is I think we've broken with the false illusion that... a person's moral character is independent of their beliefs....

"there are bad Muslims, there are good atheists".... the point of this is to trick us into thinking an atheist is no different than a Muslim.

if there was not something seriously wrong with their moral character, they would not be an atheist. we should be able to tell it like it is and not allow these people to go around like wolves disguised as sheep.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Most agnostic disguised themselves as atheists:

wth i thought your from the UK. Your accent sounds north american or scandinavian

 

[Omar del Sur]

I don't approve of ww2 German ideology and generally speaking I don't post or promote it... but I remember reading something from... I think it was Himmler.... and he was talking about ww2 era German police efforts against homos.... and so he's talking about how they were arresting homos and he's kind of giving his explanation as to why these lgbts are a menace.... and one thing he talks about... and he's directly in charge of these arrests.... he talks about that repeatedly- when they arrest homos- their sinister activity isn't just limited to homoism.... they'll arrest an lgbt and find out- he's involved with communism... or he's involved with some other sinister type activity.... and it's a repeated pattern, their evil isn't just limited to homoism.....

I say that to say this- I believe it's the same with atheists... with atheists- I don't think their sinisterness is just limited to their atheism... I think with 99 or 100 percent of the time.... if we knew the reality about them.... there is even more evilness below the surface that we don't even know about.... you can see the iceberg above the water but beneath the surface there is even more evilness

 

[Khanderson]

honestly it makes me very sad that you are not Muslim but I am hopeful that it may be a phase and Allah will guide you. to my knowledge, you are irreligious but you're not one of the militant atheist types like for example Dawkins. Obviously I would be lying if I said I approved of your beliefs but... I think a lot of irreligious types are much worse than you. not all irreligious types are equally bad in terms of their character and so one that has better character, it may be that Allah will decide to guide them.

My exit to Islam will remain. I’d rather find my own journey and my own understanding of the universe. Religion appears superficial to me. But that’s doesn’t I have the authority to discredit it. But I don’t what anyone to take my words for it. Let them see the world for themselves. May be there is a god. Who knows. I don’t know because I don’t know and I don’t doubt because I can’t doubt it. It all depends on the lens of others.

 

[Khanderson]

wth i thought your from the UK. Your accent sounds north american or scandinavian

 

[Internet Nomad]

Most agnostic disguised themselves as atheists:

You’re right but saying there is no proof of god is problematic because when people say that they are often thinking that you can prove god is through material means.

If thats the case then it’s impossible to prove god. You cant put god under a microscope or observe him through a telescope. He transcends all things in this material realm we reside in.

God can only truely be found via spiritual or rational means. You can propose arguments like fine tuning or kalam cosmological argument. Or you can have a religious experience that supersedes the natural reality and makes you sure in a divine creator.

If we take a look at the prophets of Islam they came with arguments and with miracles from Allah(SWT). They never tried to prove god through science or physical means.

 

[Khanderson]

You’re right but saying there is no proof of god is problematic because when people say that they are often thinking that you can prove god is through material means.

If thats the case then it’s impossible to prove god. You cant put god under a microscope or observe him through a telescope. He transcends all things in this material realm we reside in.

God can only truely be found via spiritual or rational means. You can propose arguments like fine tuning or kalam cosmological argument. Or you can have a religious experience that supersedes the natural reality and makes you sure in a divine creator.

If we take a look at the prophets of Islam they came with arguments and with miracles from Allah(SWT). They never tried to prove god through science or physical means.

The belief in God is about knowing full well there Is a divine in the universe. Humans were always polytheistic and monotheistic in nature. They’d always follow the foot step of their ancestors and deem anything as divine or spiritual.

Religions are somewhat divided into lots of sects
You got monotheism, polytheism, Animism.
Humans would look at anything’s and conclude them as God, Gods or Goddess. Even the story of Abraham somewhat agrees with my points.
Stating: humans would always follow the footsteps of their ancestors with out thinking of their own free will. As an agnostic I ironically resonate with that. I’d rather follow my own free will in this lost world. Religion were designed to control your mind. On how to think and what to think. On how to act and act on accordingly.

 

[Internet Nomad]

I think there are many degrees to people who left islam some did because they genuinely believe that they found a inconsistency within the religion, some did because they were barely raised a muslim, some leave because they want to follow their desires and some leave because self esteem issues.

But the worst type is the one who left because of their ego.

They are in the same camp as ibliis who saw god and yet he rejected. Why because he thought he knows better than god.

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[Omar del Sur]

the idea that belief in Allah and in Islam... that whether one believes or not is something that is purely intellectual, purely based on intellectual argument... I think this is an illusion... one thing that is really beautiful about Islam is... Islam is a religion both for the super educated scholarly people... but which also can be understood by simple people who have had very little education and are illiterate.... even amongst ordinary rural illiterate people in a super poor country.... Islam is accessible even for them as far as them being able to understand it....

meanwhile some guy with a phd may be way more clueless than a simple person who believes in Islam...

ultimately, I think whether we believe or not is not necessarily so much about intellect.... in reality, Allah is looking at us and He chooses to guide and not to guide certain people.... really there is what is in our heart... and I think it is based on our heart Allah chooses to guide or not guide us....

when I was younger I was not a Muslim but I wanted to seek knowledge.... that was me as a non-Muslim, I wanted to seek knowledge.... and then later Allah led me to Islam... and honestly I believe that is why Allah guided me, because I wanted to seek knowledge... may Allah forgive me for talking about this- I have thought this for a long time and not said it but I say it- hopefully not to praise myself but.... I say this for one because I want people to know- Allah will bless you if you seek knowledge (and for us as Muslims, we must seek Islamic knowledge)... making the intention in your heart to seek knowledge is so easy! there are so many tests we have which are difficult! but to say to yourself that you want to seek knowledge and form a plan on how to seek it- the journey is long but forming the intention is easy.... and the other reason I mention is because....

some person might say "oh, so and so just believes in Islam because- they were born into it"... "Muslims only believe in Islam due to pure accidental circumstance".... in reality Muslims believe in Islam because they were chosen by Allah and there is nothing accidental about it. if you are a Muslim, you are a Muslim because you were chosen by Allah. and if a people.... Somalis, Pakistanis, whoever... if they are Muslim it is because Allah chose them

I don't think it's really so much about intellectual arguments necessarily. if Allah chooses you, if Allah chooses for you to be Muslim, then Allah will lead you to Islam. and if Allah doesn't choose to guide you, it may be that your mind becomes filled with false psuedointellectual arguments against Islam... and you think these are very intellectual arguments but in the end they will prove to be bogus....

imo it doesn't really start with intellectual arguments but it starts with the heart... I think it starts with Allah looking at your heart and I think it's on this basis that Allah then chooses to guide or not guide people... and then what kind of arguments you end up making to defend the conclusions you reach, I think that is something which comes after.

 

[yyuusro]

Most agnostic disguised themselves as atheists:

what made you not believe in Islam?

 

[Alara]

Muslims, Christians and even Hindus all fall under the umbrella of Theists but have different views from another. Same with the term Atheist.

Most Atheists you see and are describing are Liberals as it is the most dominant belief system in the West since Christianity.

Liberalism brings no spiritual, rational or physical benefit to the believer and only leads to either Nihilism or Hedonism.

They hate Islam as it does bring benefit and they can't critique or weaken Islamic belief like they can with Christianity e.g unreliabilty of the Bible.

So have faith inshallah....if Christianity destroyed and replaced Roman Paganism. Islam can and will do the same to Liberalism.

 

[Yabal]

Mental illness the one’s who leave Islam

 

[Yabal]

My exit to Islam will remain. I’d rather find my own journey and my own understanding of the universe. Religion appears superficial to me. But that’s doesn’t I have the authority to discredit it. But I don’t what anyone to take my words for it. Let them see the world for themselves. May be there is a god. Who knows. I don’t know because I don’t know and I don’t doubt because I can’t doubt it. It all depends on the lens of others.

SubhanAllah bro. Stop playing games and repent before it’s too late.