Today I discovered the man who annihilated the Somali army that tried to retrieve our land from Ethiopia in 1977. I’m talking abt the Cuban general.

[reer]

Somalia as a nation is essentially surrounded by a larger and historically hostile power.

That's the fact.

we have 2 fascist christian neighbors one who betrayed us and another 5+ times our size who wants our blood and all our land. we are the most homogeneous sub saharan people. somaliweyn is 95%+ muslim somali.

somali response: lets be the most divided country in africa and prostitute ourselves out to them.

you cant make that shidh up

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

didn't the soviets support ethiopia when they figured out barre was going to claim oromia aswell.
if the mad man stopped at galbeed we would have been doing better than the status quo of today.

the russians still respect us though since they know we fought an federation of armies, and still managed to have enough allies pledging to defend the somali republic.

 

[Periplus]

didn't the soviets support ethiopia when they figured out barre was going to claim oromia aswell.
if the mad man stopped at galbeed we would have been doing better than the status quo of today.

the russians still respect us though since they know we fought an federation of armies, and still managed to have enough allies pledging to defend the somali republic.

The Soviets and Cuba already made it clear to Barre that they did not want him fighting Ethiopia before the Ogaden war even started.

Also at the point in which the Soviets got involved, the SNA were a few towns away from securing the Ogaden let alone claiming Oromia.

 

[reer]

The Soviets and Cuba already made it clear to Barre that they did not want him fighting Ethiopia before the Ogaden war even started.

Also at the point in which the Soviets got involved, the SNA were a few towns away from securing the Ogaden let alone claiming Oromia.

castro went on a campaign that ethiopia could be a proper marxist leninist communist state. barre gaddafi nasser saddam syria all were not keen on communism as atheism was an integral part of it. the communist manifesto written by marx and engels was not even translated to af somali by the kacaan.
anyway castro had massive force in angola. he wanted to start projecting hard power in africa. also i may be mistaken but i read castro got directly involved with troops before the soviets did. then the scales tipped.

 

[KobeBryant]

Your from hargeisa, what do you care about that war or Somalia. The city was being oppressed during the kacaan era.

 

[Grigori Rasputin]

The Kacaan did not expect as the USSR rarely intervened in proxy conflicts in comparison to the US which actively engaged in any war against communists.

The Ogaden war however, was one of the rare occasions in which the USSR took part and the US did not take part in a proxy war. The Kacaan had the misfortune of dealing with the Carter administration which were unwilling to get their hands stuck in this business.

However, I do think you are right, in that the involvement of Petrov may have messed with the Somali generals.

Carter done fvcked us over because he was ultra Christian religious. It was leaked that he said to his people “I can’t allow a Christian island in the midst of a Muslim water to be overtaken “.

 

[Periplus]

Carter done fvcked us over because he was ultra Christian religious. It was leaked that he said to his people “I can’t allow a Christian island in the midst of a Muslim water to be overtaken “.

That might very well be true but we also should remember that the appetite for war under Carter was not great due to the failures in Vietnam.

 

[Periplus]

castro went on a campaign that ethiopia could be a proper marxist leninist communist state. barre gaddafi nasser saddam syria all were not keen on communism as atheism was an integral part of it. the communist manifesto written by marx and engels was not even translated to af somali by the kacaan.
anyway castro had massive force in angola. he wanted to start projecting hard power in africa. also i may be mistaken but i read castro got directly involved with troops before the soviets did. then the scales tipped.

Castro put a lot of ground troops in Ethiopia but the USSR gave Ethiopia $1bn in assistance to repel the SNA which was unprecedented. That tipped the scales also.

 

[Hotchick12]

This why I’m happy there’s an embargo on Cuba, those motherfuckers should have stopped meddling in Africa

 

[codewebsduh]

Siad Barre was retarded, why go against your funders wishes!?

He bit the hand that fed him without thinking about long term consequences.

 

[Periplus]

Siad Barre was retarded, why go against your funders wishes!?

Because he already conquered Ogaden by the time they starting supporting Mengistu?

The fault was that the SNA were horrible defensively and that the USSR sent the man that taught many of the SNA generals in Russia.

 

[codewebsduh]

Because he already conquered Ogaden by the time they starting supporting Mengistu?

The fault was that the SNA were horrible defensively and that the USSR sent the man that taught many of the SNA generals in Russia.

It was a horrible gamble, he shouldn't of attacked against their wishes. If the second most powerful country in the world tells you not to do it or else , then don't do it!

 

[Periplus]

It was a horrible gamble, he shouldn't of attacked against their wishes. If the second most powerful country in the world tells you not to do it or else , then don't do it!

They told him to go back when he got the Ogaden. You are using benefit of hindsight.

Look at what I said earlier in the thread for reasons why the Kacaan thought it was a good idea.

The fact that I, of all people, have to defend the Kacaan is ludicrous because I actually hate them.

 

[Gantaal97]

Irredentism was part of the policy of the Somali political class since 1943. The SYL provided the template that Barre eventually followed.

One must also remember that Ethiopia and Somalia have a history of attacking one another whenever the smelt weakness.

In 1964, Selassie invaded Somalia after the SYL signed a lucrative military training deal with the USSR, until then Somalia's military was weak but this agreement had the potential of later placing the SNA in a position of power. In 1984, Mengistu invaded Somalia with the SSDF in order to depose Barre but the US provided military assistance and aid to the Kacaan.

If the Kacaan did not invade in 1977, they would have done it when the Derg were toppled or whenever else they smelt weakness.

That's why I believe Irredentism is what destroyed us Afwayne should have been realistic to his top officials and abandoned somaliwayn policy in favor of having good relations with neighbors and Africa and also importantly maintaining soviet and US relations in according to Non alignment policy and secretly aided WSLF in their guerrilla war against derg regime and maybe when the regime falls annex kalinka shaanad or convince the TPLF at that time to offer referendum in the region the same way as Eritrea

 

[Periplus]

That's why I believe Irredentism is what destroyed us Afwayne should have been realistic to his top officials and abandoned somaliwayn policy in favor of having good relations with neighbors and Africa and also importantly maintaining soviet and US relations in according to Non alignment policy and secretly aided WSLF in their guerrilla war against derg regime and maybe when the regime falls annex kalinka shaanad or convince the TPLF at that time to offer referendum in the region the same way as Eritrea

I agree the Ogaden war destroyed us and I would have done what you have stated here.

Laakin, as much as I hate Barre, it is understandable why they went into the Ogaden. It did not work out for them whatsoever but at the time it looked like a good idea.