Tribes of the HOA #2: The Hararis

[Prince of Lasanod]

I agree. I don't think they're native to Harar. They're originally Highlanders that migrated to that land....and they look very similar to their Jeberti and Tigre Semitic counterparts.

They're not habeshas but i think that they're related to the jeberti muslims from eritrea. In dress, language, customs they're very similar.

The xarla which was an advanced muslim cushitic people related to somalis are the ones who are native to the region, but they assimilated into somalis/afars after the oromo invasions.

 

[Amira]

Afars are Somalis closest cousin
I am gonna pretend you never said that and as far as I know clan and tribe are the same unless you are saying they aren't

So you don't think Somalis are related to the Afars and Oromos the most?

Somalis are one Tribe. Tribe is just another term for "Ethnic group". A clan is a group of people within a tribe that are united by a common descent/lineage.

 

[ሕጊ።።]

They're not habeshas but i think that they're related to the jeberti muslims from eritrea. In dress, language, customs they're very similar.

The xarla which was an advanced muslim cushitic people related to somalis are the ones who are native to the region, but they assimilated into somalis/afars after the oromo invasions.

They are more simliar to Argobba's than Jeberti's

 

[Amira]

They are more simliar to Argobba's than Jeberti's

Wow I never even heard of that tribe before

 

[ሕጊ።።]

Wow I never even heard of that tribe before

The other Harari made some thread on them like a week ago

 

[XamarCade]

You should do the Rendille next, the lost Somalis.

Rendille? This is my first time hearing them.

 

[Young Popeye]

They're not habeshas but i think that they're related to the jeberti muslims from eritrea. In dress, language, customs they're very similar.

The xarla which was an advanced muslim cushitic people related to somalis are the ones who are native to the region, but they assimilated into somalis/afars after the oromo invasions.

Harla assimilated into Oromo as well. Harar was an Arab colony in Harla country at least before the 10th century. The Harla demanded the Arabs intermarry with them and adopt their language hence the Harari ethnic group. My dad's fam trace thier lineage to a Harla Emir while my moms side claim yemeni origin. Old Harari language was already heavily Semitic. Places like Zanzibar also had a bantu-arab kingdom.

 

[Amira]

The other Harari made some thread on them like a week ago

Why don't you think Hararis are Habesha ? I have some Harari friends and the person I'm dating is Harari and they all identify as Habesha.
Habesha isn't just you Tigrayans and Amharas. It's all Semitic tribes of Ethiopia and Eritrea, regardless of their religion.

 

[Young Popeye]

@adaharari they saying we habesha

 

[Amira]

@adaharari they saying we habesha

Hararis are not Cushitic. They are Semitic. Therefore you have to be Habesha. I can understand why some Hararis don't identify with that term, however, Hararis still originate from the Aksum kingdom.

 

[Amira]

@adaharari they saying we habesha

You can say you're not Habesha...but you can't deny Hararis, Amharas, Tigrayans, Gurages, Tige, etc all have the same origins.

 

[DuctTape]

Why don't you think Hararis are Habesha ? I have some Harari friends and the person I'm dating is Harari and they all identify as Habesha.
Habesha isn't just you Tigrayans and Amharas. It's all Semitic tribes of Ethiopia and Eritrea, regardless of their religion.

Stop pretending you aren't Habesha yourself by saying "you Tigrayans and Amharas"
You aren't fooling anyone but yourself

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Harla assimilated into Oromo as well. Harar was an Arab colony in Harla country at least before the 10th century. The Harla demanded the Arabs to intermarry with them and adopt their language hence the Harari ethnic group. My dad's fam trace thier linege to a Harla Emir while my moms side claim yemeni origin. Old Harari language was already heavily Semitic. Places like Zanzibar also had a bantu-arab kingdom.

I've heard the theory that the Adere newcomers who arrived from Eritrea are originally from Hadhramaut in Yemen and mixed with the Xarla who eventually changed their language. Interesting.

 

[ሕጊ።።]

Why don't you think Hararis are Habesha ? I have some Harari friends and the person I'm dating is Harari and they all identify as Habesha.
Habesha isn't just you Tigrayans and Amharas. It's all Semitic tribes of Ethiopia and Eritrea, regardless of their religion.

The Habesha term can be used in too many ways in the diaspora. I (and probably @Lilafrombole ) will almost point out at someone that looks remotely like us and say Habesha and say hello sometimes when they pass.... back home it is not used as often as outside.

I didn't say whether Harari's are Habesha or not, it's self-identification at the end of the day and if @Young Popeye say's he isn't, then it's not up to anyone else, stating ethnicity is more common even.

 

[XamarCade]

@adaharari they saying we habesha

Then what r u

 

[Amira]

Stop pretending you aren't Habesha yourself by saying "you Tigrayans and Amharas"
You aren't fooling anyone but yourself

This is random. But I must say Ductape, you are very smart and well spoken for an 18 year old.

 

[fardowsa]

Then what r u

He's half somali i believe

Not even cushitic or full cushiticeven their language is not like ours

 

[XamarCade]

@Amira u r habash plz stop pretending, this is getting outta hand.

 

[Amira]

The Habesha term can be used in too many ways in the diaspora. I (and probably @Lilafrombole ) will almost point out at someone that looks remotely like us and say Habesha and say hello sometimes when they pass.... back home it is not used as often as outside.

I didn't say whether Harari's are Habesha or not, it's self-identification at the end of the day and if @Young Popeye say's he isn't, then it's not up to anyone else, stating ethnicity is more common even.

Lila is Habesha? is she Amhara?

 

[XamarCade]

He's half somali i believe

Not even cushitic or full cushiticeven their language is not like ours

Very tragic, sad