TURKEY ASKS FOR ETHIOPIA TO GET ACCESS TO SOMALIA'S WATERS

[AraragiKoyomi]

This happened because of HSM poor leadership, he cannot even unite the nation he's claiming to be the president of, he is a complete failure.

Doesnt justify treason. What I dont understand is, if a leader fails to do his job, why cant the leaders y'all defend take the lead?

Deni going to Ethiopia when he has an issue with the FGS shows that he is as corrupt or even more corrupt than HSM. So what is gonna happen when Deni is in a position to benefit from treason while he is the president of Somalia?

Also stop assuming I support one leader over the other cause I am critical of a political figure.

 

[Abdisamad]

Doesnt justify treason. What I dont understand is, if a leader fails to do his job, why cant the leaders y'all defend take the lead?

How did I justify treason, because I wrote hsm is a poor leader?

Deni going to Ethiopia when he has an issue with the FGS shows that he is as corrupt or even more corrupt than HSM. So what is gonna happen when Deni is in a position to benefit from treason while he is the president of Somalia?

I'm not defending Deni, in my view most so called Somali leaders are only looking for their interest. I wouldn't go as far as claim Deni is more corrupt than hsm, anyway Deni is not the president hsm is and he should be held accountable since he took the job of leading the nation.

Also stop assuming I support one leader over the other cause I am critical of a political figure.

I never criticized you, just highlighted hsm poor leadership, did that bother you personally?

 

[Ozark]

So they not only took land in the 60s but will also take the sea and park their navy there that will be propped up by NATO? Gotta love the donkey HSM

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

How did I justify treason, because I wrote hsm is a poor leader?


I'm not defending Deni, in my view most so called Somali leaders are only looking for their interest. I wouldn't go as far as claim Deni is more corrupt than hsm, anyway Deni is not the president hsm is and he should be held accountable since he took the job of leading the nation.




I never criticized you, just highlighted hsm poor leadership, did that bother you personally?

See you are assuming I am bothered. I pointed out Deni going to Ethiopia, you said it happened cause HSM is a poor leader, and I assumed that was you saying that as an justification of Deni going to Ethiopia.

And now you asking me wether I am bothered because you called HSM a poor leader. f*ck no, he is a poor leader and Deni is a traitor. I hate both of them and I want them to stand trial and be executed tomorrow.

 

[Abdisamad]

See you are assuming I am bothered. I pointed out Deni going to Ethiopia, you said it happened cause HSM is a poor leader, and I assumed that was you saying that as an justification of Deni going to Ethiopia.

And now you asking me wether I am bothered because you called HSM a poor leader. f*ck no, he is a poor leader and Deni is a traitor. I hate both of them and I want them to stand trial and be executed tomorrow.

Somalia is a dead nation full of bad leaders and a divided population, everyone is looking out for their qabil interests, even within qabiils they're further divided into sub qabiil divisions, Deni and hsm are just a symbol of this division and down fall of the Somali race.. Personally I've no hope what so ever for ever seeing a funktioning Somalia.

 

[Abdisamad]

So they not only took land in the 60s but will also take the sea and park their navy there that will be propped up by NATO? Gotta love the donkey HSM

To be fair it's only HSM poor leadership, this down fall began the day Somalis picket up a gun to overthrow the low iq dictator siyad Barre, then when they eventually succeeded turned on each other in a civil war, now this is the result.. When you can't appreciate what Allah has given others will certainly, at this point maybe it is better to focus on your own region, let Somali become mini states.

 

[Sa_Male]

May Allah reward him. The good he has done. He truly saved the Somali language from irrelevance. He planted the seed of sectarianism in Ethiopia, he made them landlocked. What he did, not even Deni if he could live a 100 lifetimes would never be able to do.

He's burning in hell as we speak. May Allah reward him? This man started the greatest division in the somali people's, if it weren't for him, millions more somalis would exist today, and maybe there wouldn't be a Somaliland a Puntland a xaarland etc. This very attitude is what makes us landers rightfully despise most of the political rhetoric that comes from the rest of the somali states.

 

[Sa_Male]

To be fair it's only HSM poor leadership, this down fall began the day Somalis picket up a gun to overthrow the low iq dictator siyad Barre, then when they eventually succeeded turned on each other in a civil war, now this is the result.. When you can't appreciate what Allah has given others will certainly, at this point maybe it is better to focus on your own region, let Somali become mini states.

The downfall began the day somalis trusted one man to have total power. Since when have we somali people been ruled by one chief?? It doesn't work and that part of our history proves it.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

He's burning in hell as we speak. May Allah reward him? This man started the greatest division in the somali people's, if it weren't for him, millions more somalis would exist today, and maybe there wouldn't be a Somaliland a Puntland a xaarland etc. This very attitude is what makes us landers rightfully despise most of the political rhetoric that comes from the rest of the somali states.

True. I 100% agree. I just said all that out of frustration

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

He's burning in hell as we speak. May Allah reward him? This man started the greatest division in the somali people's, if it weren't for him, millions more somalis would exist today, and maybe there wouldn't be a Somaliland a Puntland a xaarland etc. This very attitude is what makes us landers rightfully despise most of the political rhetoric that comes from the rest of the somali states.

I agreed until the last statement of yours. First of all stop using the suffix land as a way fo identify yourself. Secondly its only isaaq who have been affected by the bombings of Siad Barre. Cisse, Dhulbahante, Warsangeli were Siad Barre collaborators. So just say Isaaq.

Thirdly. I dont like Siad Barre and he should have stepped down immediately after 77. What I dont like are secessionist. Y'all did all this(wanting to secede, being hostile, saying an Amxaar is closer to me than Garowe, aiding the kuffar against your fellow Muslim, whoring out another qabil's land to Ethiopians). Because what happened in 1988. Dont forget Ethiopians bombed Hargeisa twice and dont forget they occupy hawd, dont forget SNM bombed Boorama, so not a single rebel clan militia was innocent.

Again I am taking that comment back. I dont like Siad Barre but I fucking despise secessionist. Wallahi if Galmudug tried to secede I would bomb that place myself.

 

[Sa_Male]

I agreed until the last statement of yours. First of all stop using the suffix land as a way fo identify yourself. Secondly its only isaaq who have been affected by the bombings of Siad Barre. Cisse, Dhulbahante, Warsangeli were Siad Barre collaborators. So just say Isaaq.

Thirdly. I dont like Siad Barre and he should have stepped down immediately after 77. What I dont like are secessionist. Y'all did all this(wanting to secede, being hostile, saying an Amxaar is closer to me than Garowe, aiding the kuffar against your fellow Muslim, whoring out another qabil's land to Ethiopians). Because what happened in 1988. Dont forget Ethiopians bombed Hargeisa twice and dont forget they occupy hawd, dont forget SNM bombed Boorama, so not a single rebel clan militia was innocent.

Again I am taking that comment back. I dont like Siad Barre but I fucking despise secessionist. Wallahi if Galmudug tried to secede I would bomb that place myself.

I come from somaliland therfore I am a lander.

Firstly, your right we were mostly Barre biggest target. Another reason to go and conduct our own affairs, if you open any book you'll see that hargeisa and really anywhere in somaliland was neglected by Barres regime. The attack didn't start with the bombing.

Personally, I wish that all somalis are united, and really that's what most snm commanders wanted until they realised just how unfeasible it was at the time, add that to the insane rage and confusion of just how easily other somalis would pick up a weapon and try and kill them, and bomb civilians. Most isaaqis wanted nothing to do with other Somalis (which is perfectly logical after running from genocide and returning to destroyed homes and mass graves).

In terms of creating their own country, as time went by, isaaqis continued to discover more mass graves (which didn't really help to make them want to join somalia) and watched as the south also continued to spiral put of control. Barely standing on their own two feet, and deeply incensed and patriotic the ideal of somaliland only grew stronger.

Lastly, don't pretend that Somalia s out its own land anymore than somalia or even dijbouti. And sure the snm may have committed war crimes. But never forget that everything started the day barre neglected the north. Parts of my family had to move to Mogadishu simply because they couldn't do business otherwise and when the war came, they lost everything, even beloved family.

 

[Sa_Male]

True. I 100% agree. I just said all that out of frustration

Imagine how frustrated isaaqis were when they came back to see everything they ever knew reduced to rubble, family missing, tons of skeletons lying in the streets. Would you rush to join the people who were genociding you? And give them any power over you again?

 

[Sa_Male]

Imagine how frustrated isaaqis were when they came back to see everything they ever knew reduced to rubble, family missing, tons of skeletons lying in the streets. Would you rush to join the people who were genociding you? And give them any power over you again?

And I laugh everytime I see someone from somalia or anywhere else proudly stating it'd be easy to get rid of somaliland, to do that would require a genocide 10x bigger than what happened in the 80s and 90s.
Somaliland patriotism is stronger than ever and as time goes on the odds of somaliland ever joining anything grows smaller. I'm anti seccession idealistically, but realistically it's impossible.

 

[Sa_Male]

 

[Sa_Male]

Imagine still finding and trying to ID people in mass graves years after. Very helpful indeed.

 

[Sa_Male]

And I laugh everytime I see someone from somalia or anywhere else proudly stating it'd be easy to get rid of somaliland, to do that would require a genocide 10x bigger than what happened in the 80s and 90s.
Somaliland patriotism is stronger than ever and as time goes on the odds of somaliland ever joining anything grows smaller. I'm anti seccession idealistically, but realistically it's impossible.

And best believe even young teenagers in sland would fight to the death for it. I went back home mths ago, even 10yr olds were deeply patriotic when I brought up sland

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Imagine how frustrated isaaqis were when they came back to see everything they ever knew reduced to rubble, family missing, tons of skeletons lying in the streets. Would you rush to join the people who were genociding you? And give them any power over you again?

Baydhaabo lost 300 thousand. Imagine coming back to your city to see everyone starved to death.

Nigga everyone suffered and everyone had blood on their hands. Nothing justifies secession.

 

[MangoM]

Imagine still finding and trying to ID people in mass graves years after. Very helpful indeed.

Move on a year ago ur ppl was killing innocent people instead of caalal about 1980 where ur dog people went to ethiopia to try destroy the gov or when sayidka was fighting the brits ur people allied the kafir. Just stfu with ur victim mentality nobody cares genuinely go take ur 3 cities and join oromia.

 

[MangoM]

And best believe even young teenagers in sland would fight to the death for it. I went back home mths ago, even 10yr olds were deeply patriotic when I brought up sland

Good we will fight in 10 yrs winner takes it all ok? Hopefully ur prepared no usc to save u either!

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Imagine how frustrated isaaqis were when they came back to see everything they ever knew reduced to rubble, family missing, tons of skeletons lying in the streets. Would you rush to join the people who were genociding you? And give them any power over you again?

Who? Is HSM responsible? Am I responsible are the 70% who were born after 1990 responsible. Nigga you gonna be 90 years and still saying the same shit over again. 1988 is ancient history. We have to move forward, cause those you have a grudge on who are alive today can be counted with the fingers