Unrest in South Africa

[Som]

All the top military dudes in the early 1990s South Africa were white people due to the apartheid regime. They would have all the military know-how. How else could they have managed to dominate a majority population for decades?

If a serious civil war erupted in South Africa briefly after apartheid, the whites would win easily. If one erupts now, it is 50/50, but in the 90s, definitely the whites would have won.

Think about it.
In the 1990s white southafrica had fo options

1) stay in power , keep Mandela in prison but risk losing a civil war, risk having a more radical black leader, risk bloodshed and clashes against whites, risk another 20-30 years of guerilla erc

3) free Mandela because he was a reasonable guy , give power to black people,avoid civil war, survive without bloodshed, no sanctions etc.

THey chose option number 2) because they had high chances of losing civil war both from a political and military point of view

 

[KobeBryant]

It is not about raw numbers. It is about technological know-how and financial resources. Look at how tiny Israel managed to keep the hordes of Arabs in check, even when neighboring Arab countries started to attack it.

The reason why white South Africans gave up on apartheid was due to BDS (economic boycotts) and mounting international pressure. The 90s were not socially that different from today, they couldn't sustain the stigma of running a racist system. It wasn't because they couldn't win militarily from black South Africans.

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[Som]

It is not about raw numbers. It is about technological know-how and financial resources. Look at how tiny Israel managed to keep the hordes of Arabs in check, even when neighboring Arab countries started to attack it.

The reason why white South Africans gave up on apartheid was due to BDS (economic boycotts) and mounting international pressure. The 90s were not socially that different from today, they couldn't sustain the stigma of running a racist system. It wasn't because they couldn't win militarily from black South Africans.

The boycotts were just an effect of the political victory of the ANC. That's the difference. Black southafricans acted smart with their movement unlike arabs , they won politically and forced their adversary to surrender power without violence.
Believe me, if violence was an option they would have at least tried. Lots of apartheid politicians had zero intention of giving power to black people.

 

[Apollo]

Think about it.
In the 1990s white southafrica had fo options

1) stay in power , keep Mandela in prison but risk losing a civil war, risk having a more radical black leader, risk bloodshed and clashes against whites, risk another 20-30 years of guerilla erc

3) free Mandela because he was a reasonable guy , give power to black people,avoid civil war, survive without bloodshed, no sanctions etc.

THey chose option number 2) because they had high chances of losing civil war both from a political and military point of view

Sorry but I have to disagree here.

I have read some material on the transition from apartheid to democracy and the main reason was BDS and international public opinion.

Remember those white South Africans look to Britain and America for cultural influence and they were getting 'shamed' by their cultural peers for running an outdated racist system. The 1940s (holocaust) and 1960s (civil rights in the US) were also not far removed from the Western zeitgeist in the 90s.

 

[Som]

Sorry but I have to disagree here.

I have read some material on the transition from apartheid to democracy and the main reason was BDS and international public opinion.

Remember those white South Africans look to Britain and America for cultural influence and they were getting 'shamed' by their cultural peers for running an outdated racist system. The 1940s (holocaust) and 1960s (civil rights in the US) were also not far removed from the Western zeitgeist in the 90s.

Untill the 80s Reagan and thatcher were pro southafrica. You make it seem like blacks were freed from apartheid by whites when in reality they freed themselves with smart political moves. Mandela had a huge impact in creating making whites feel ashamed. That's political skill.
If the entire western world started to support a black african socialist its because he was good at convincing them.
Mandela did the most smart thing he could do. He reassured whites that he wouldn't harm but at the same time reminded them that his ANC guerilla would keep fighting indefinitely if the regime didn't stop apartheid. He won the political war. Without Mandela SA would still have some form of apartheid

 

[Apollo]

Untill the 80s Reagan and thatcher were pro southafrica.

The West is larger than the US and UK. Many other Western leaders were anti-apartheid, most notable in mainland Europe, especially in Scandinavia. Secondly, Reagan and Thatcher never approved of the racial system. They only didn't want to interfere economically and the reason behind that was their extreme free market libertarian ideology. American and British media (more influential than some politicians) never approved of it in the 1980s or early 1990s. South Africa was frequently shamed in that period.

You make it seem like blacks were freed from apartheid by whites when in reality they freed themselves with smart political moves.

Well, we disagree here. White South Africans voluntarily gave up power. They could have easily deported the Bantus from their regions and started a white-only country. Instead they simply transitioned to democracy and kept South Africa as is.

India & Gandhi is a better example of the British (whites) not being able to manage it and being forced to give up power, but South Africa was mostly a voluntary transition of power.

 

[minaaa]

Botswana has the highest development index in africa and is about the same as Ukraine which had at least 1000 years more development. Botswana managed to catch up in just 50 years.
How did they do it? Simple. Botswana is one of the few countries that was pretty much ignored by European colonialism, the British occupied it but thought it waa a useless colony. Once Botswana got it's independence they found diamonds , with the strong native leadership they managed to develop a thriving economy and develop their country from a desert to a respectable nation.
That's what happens when imperialism doesn't interfere.
Another example
In the 80s Burkina Faso under Thomas Sankara vaccinated most of it's population, raised litteracy from 13% to over 70% in 4 years, gave safe water and food access to all citizens etc. Guess what happened to Sankara? He was murdered by a commando of rebels financed by France and the US.

Wallah that is very informative thank you. All of Africa needs a therapy session basically and this goes for Somalia too. We all need to learn about what colonizers did to us, why migrating and abandoning your land is not a good thing, and how to have dhiig and stand up for yourself and basic human rights is a must or else we will all be done for!

 

[The alchemist]

I didn’t think there was any large country more unequal than Brazil lmao. But South Africa is next level fucked.

South Africa takes the cake.

 

[Jaydaan]

All the top military dudes in the early 1990s South Africa were white people due to the apartheid regime. They would have all the military know-how. How else could they have managed to dominate a majority population for decades?

If a serious civil war erupted in South Africa briefly after apartheid, the whites would win easily. If one erupts now, it is 50/50, but in the 90s, definitely the whites would have won.

I dont think its 50-50 now. I think the blacks would win easily. They are by far outnumbering and blacks dont need anywhere near same amount of weapons to win. They just need some weapons and they have blacks in the military and police now

 

[Apollo]

I dont think its 50-50 now. I think the blacks would win easily. They are by far outnumbering and blacks dont need anywhere near same amount of weapons to win. They just need some weapons and they have blacks in the military and police now

The whites got the money. They could hire mercenaries from other African countries, LOL.

 

[Apollo]

@Jaydaan @The alchemist

White/Indian/Coloured South African neighborhood next to a Black one:

 

[Jaydaan]

The whites got the money. They could hire mercenaries from other African countries, LOL.

i dont think in an actual race war they will have many blacks agreeing to go and kill blacks. I know money buys most things, but not this. Keep in mind of the 60 million people in south africa. 47.4 are black and 4.4 are white. Just too many people to ever control in civil war and actually ever be safe in that country when you are outnumbered more than 10 times. Also i doubt most whites would want to go to war and would just flee to Europe if it gets that bad

 

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[Champion]

Very rough times in that country, and rougher ahead. May those Zulus reclaim their land. I will always support a country's own decolonial efforts.

 

[Apollo]

I like how serpentza pissed off the Chinese (from the PRC) so much that they started calling him a racist apartheid regime beneficiary who hates China for racist reasons, LOL. For those unaware of this vlogger, serpentza started his channel covering China (PRC) but got deported later on.

Butthurt incel CCP fanboys mass reported him to the CCP and got him deported from China for insulting the honor of China.

 

[Kool-Aid]

I like how serpentza pissed off the Chinese (from the PRC) so much that they started calling him a racist apartheid regime beneficiary who hates China for racist reasons, LOL. For those unaware of this vlogger, serpentza started his channel covering China (PRC) but got deported later on.

Butthurt incel CCP fanboys mass reported him to the CCP and got him deported from China for insulting the honor of China.

China's PIMP hand is firm! They will go after you if you disrespect their country

 

[Apollo]

China's PIMP hand is firm! They will go after you if you disrespect their country

It's a bit weak to do that.

He didn't even insult China that much. He mostly flattered its development and maybe only occasianly critiqued it.

But even that minor critique got him deported.

Check out his older videos from between 2013 and 2018. He used to live freely in the People's Republic of China (mainland/communist part) before being kicked out.

 

[Kool-Aid]

It's a bit weak to do that.

Not really being able to f*ck with someone and they can't do anything really back is a sign of strength. Just look at how china deals with Nike, Apple and other major companies.




Hollywood does not even mess with them anymore. I wish Somali's had a PIMP hand like this

 

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