Invite a Harari or something to maintain clan neutrality.
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we already have harari like groups in somalia and thats the benadiri, a reer xamar or reer barawe monarch could function the same as their outside of the big clans
or literallly copy jordan one to one and choose a foreign arab hashemite prince as emir who would have religious legitimacy from his ancestry. Many islamic kingdoms of old used to do this
hayran
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they look too different, also very inbred
An Arab as king of Somalia? Somalis aren't beating the ana Arab allegations
I never claimed we're arabs its just if it makes somalia less of a dysfunctional shithole I would support some foreign king even if he is korean as long as their muslimAn Arab as king of Somalia? Somalis aren't beating the ana Arab allegations
who cares how they look, why in the hell would you favour a foreign harari whose mother tongue isn't somali over a minority which is culturally somali just because of looks?
You niggas really need to stop with this ‘as long as he is Muslim’ stuff. Somalia is 99% Muslim and we don’t even support each other.
nigga really said a korean muslim king in Somalia
its just a thought experiment but the whole point is that a foreigner without a clan could maintain neutralility all clans instead of a somali king who will inevitably lead to his clan dominating the country. Unironically I do think somalis would accept a great foreign dictatorial ruler more than one who is the same but a somali from a different clan.You niggas really need to stop with this ‘as long as he is Muslim’ stuff. Somalia is 99% Muslim and we don’t even support each other.
nigga really said a korean muslim king in Somalia
But he has to be a muslim as obviously no gaal woul ever in any situation be accepted as the ruler
Inquisitive_
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The issue of xoolonimo in somalia is systemic, the only rational explanation is that it's a curse from Allah.
It doesn't just affect the uneducated camel herder, but also the PhD holders, the bus drivers, the professionals, the community leaders all the way down to the dugsi teachers.
The shortsightedness, lack of impulse control, love for corruption and xoolonimo is a shared value, the only rational conclusion you can come to is that it's a curse, nothing else.
It doesn't just affect the uneducated camel herder, but also the PhD holders, the bus drivers, the professionals, the community leaders all the way down to the dugsi teachers.
The shortsightedness, lack of impulse control, love for corruption and xoolonimo is a shared value, the only rational conclusion you can come to is that it's a curse, nothing else.
Galool
VIP
That is because the colonialist trained and raised a group of indigenous people with their ideology to work in their place. Some people realized this (usually Muslims) and realized it was meant to cripple us and others still values and try to emulate it (most non-Muslim African countries for example).
Galool
VIP
The issue is that the system is foreign un-Islamic and designed to be dysfunctional.
It is designed to put the worst in charge and disempower the best of us.
That is what happened to the Muslim world. If today the system was changed and a better more Islamic system that united the country was put in place they would invade it and destroy it.
It is not anything inherently wrong with Somalis who are good people and it is not tribalism. A lot of that is also pushed from the outside by foreign backers. It is that the worst are put up as leadership by design, and the most decent of them could not change much as the whole things is made to be a quagmire.
I remember listening to a lecture about this verse and the speaker was saying it is the same with the reverse. When another power conquers you they make the noblest the lowest and elevate the lowest people to serve them dutifully.
She said: "Verily kings, when they enter a town (country), they despoil it and make the most honourable amongst its people the lowest. And thus they do.
Surah An-Naml 34
Anyway @Idilinaa has made some really informative posts on this.
It is designed to put the worst in charge and disempower the best of us.
That is what happened to the Muslim world. If today the system was changed and a better more Islamic system that united the country was put in place they would invade it and destroy it.
It is not anything inherently wrong with Somalis who are good people and it is not tribalism. A lot of that is also pushed from the outside by foreign backers. It is that the worst are put up as leadership by design, and the most decent of them could not change much as the whole things is made to be a quagmire.
I remember listening to a lecture about this verse and the speaker was saying it is the same with the reverse. When another power conquers you they make the noblest the lowest and elevate the lowest people to serve them dutifully.
She said: "Verily kings, when they enter a town (country), they despoil it and make the most honourable amongst its people the lowest. And thus they do.
Surah An-Naml 34
Anyway @Idilinaa has made some really informative posts on this.
Somalis need to see and interpret things outside the prism of clanhood. You will come to find very little is motivated by clan. There is lot of personal individual motives, social -economic , strategic , religious motives. Sometimes even ideological motives that is not related to kinship. It's also a lot of foreign inteferences and influencing at play.
Somalis don't unanimously support people or pledge loyalty because they are from the same clan as them in the political sense. There is a field study and them looking through archives that looked into Ogaden that found this out: @Aseer needs to read this.
Political Identity as Temporal Collapse: Ethiopian Federalism and Contested Ogaden Histories
Abstract. Since the 1980s, analyses of African political identities have emphasized identity manipulation as a governance tool. In the Somali Horn of Africacademic.oup.com
It's funny even these ajanabi researchers have caught on begun to see passed this ''clan-talk'' as nonsense assertions and thats what they are assertions and false narratives that are employed that is attributing collective behaviour and political loyalties that are not actually real.
The SNM did not represent Isaaq, SDDF did not represent Majerteen, USC did not represent Hawiye , SPM didn't represent merahan. It's all nonsense clan talk imbued into them.
And even ICU which was a coalition didn't only represent hawiye, it got support across different communities for various reasons unrelated to clan and primarily because they spoke to peoples collective interests.
The warlords and Abdullahi Yusuf didn't get genuine support they just forced people using foreign weapons & funds and brutalized them and kept them hostage. Their clan didn't actually support them or even elect them, it was foreigners that did.
I have also seen Haji Ingriis employ this ''clan-talk'' throughout his garbage book , accuse the 1960s Aden & Sharmarke regime of being ''majerteen monarchy'' that there was some sort of clan agenda by the Majerteen to take over but rather it was inviduals with wealth , educational, administrative/civic experience that came to dominate the democratic process as Professor Said Samatar explained and certain few among them had a lot merchant capital to fund election campaigns and connections/experience. But he didn't get that analysis and only saw their clan. He also didn't see that others including the ones i mentioned at times lacked that capital they took bribes and funds from outside or from the treasury that was meant to go to development. Even CIA interferred and funded them, which some speculate they might have been behind the assasination of Sharmarke as Egal was proven to be an asset.
There are others things like the Siad Barre accusation with clan favoratism or hate for certain clan, which lacks evidence. Infact the more i look into it the more he just appears to be someone who loved his people and country, especially all his speeches, tapes of his privates conversations and his writings just reflect that. They also turned him giving concessions and helping out various Somali communities as either boosting a clan or playing clans off eachother. Him helping and rewarding people is painted as some nefarious clan act.
The clan favoritism and hate makes no sense when you consider how they banned clan discrimination and so you also have people complain about that like that murtad Ayan Hirsi complain about it , this is how ''clan-talk'' works assertions imbued into narratives.
It's sad and tragic that Somalis from certain communities were victimized but it is not because of their clan its because of those foreign backed insurgents/warlords and rogue soldiers.
Somali regardless of clan are innocent victims in a conspiracy by foreigners and self serving traitors. They should see it for what it is.
Before the introduction of the Somali language as the language of Administration and education. The government , administration and the educational system in Somalia during the 1960s was written in English and Italian.
And yet it was plagued with corruption, nepotism, elitism, inefficiency and people openly engaged in ''clan-talk'' even on the radio. Even on newspapers and periodicals.
Heck the opposition that stalled implementing of a Somali script was rooted in clan opposition, enough so that they labelled in Osmaniya , the Majerteen script and other times there was resistance to an adoption from a religious basis
During the 1970s and 80s when they adopted a Somali script and made it the language of education and bureaucracy it was the opposite there was no open political discourse around clan, even mentioning it was banned. Clan discrimination was banned and people weren't hired on clan basis.
And what the adoption of Af- Somali as the medium of writing did was make more Somalis connected and identify with each other through their common language and culture heritage. It was central to building a common national identity. It also made education and civic participation more accessible to the wider Somali majority who was alienated by the Italian and English dominated bureaucracy and educational system.
The biggest thing it did was make government administration more efficient and aimed at uniting Somalis because it isolated them form one another as it created an administrative language barrier within the administration.
Administrative Efficiency And Administrative Language In Somali
Thanks to this they were able to make many new administrative reforms and weed out dishonest managers and employees from the state apparatus.
''eliminating the plethora of parasites who had entered the offices through channel of tribal clientelism''
But yeah i encourage you to read the whole report, what changes to place following the introduction of somali as a governing language.
And yet it was plagued with corruption, nepotism, elitism, inefficiency and people openly engaged in ''clan-talk'' even on the radio. Even on newspapers and periodicals.
Heck the opposition that stalled implementing of a Somali script was rooted in clan opposition, enough so that they labelled in Osmaniya , the Majerteen script and other times there was resistance to an adoption from a religious basis
During the 1970s and 80s when they adopted a Somali script and made it the language of education and bureaucracy it was the opposite there was no open political discourse around clan, even mentioning it was banned. Clan discrimination was banned and people weren't hired on clan basis.
And what the adoption of Af- Somali as the medium of writing did was make more Somalis connected and identify with each other through their common language and culture heritage. It was central to building a common national identity. It also made education and civic participation more accessible to the wider Somali majority who was alienated by the Italian and English dominated bureaucracy and educational system.
The biggest thing it did was make government administration more efficient and aimed at uniting Somalis because it isolated them form one another as it created an administrative language barrier within the administration.
Administrative Efficiency And Administrative Language In Somali
Thanks to this they were able to make many new administrative reforms and weed out dishonest managers and employees from the state apparatus.
''eliminating the plethora of parasites who had entered the offices through channel of tribal clientelism''
But yeah i encourage you to read the whole report, what changes to place following the introduction of somali as a governing language.
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You can also compare this to the Somali parliament of the 70/80s with the current day Somali Parliament
Somali parliament during the 1980s/70s. Diligent, efficient, civil see the files and books at their desks printed out in Af-Soomaali.
Somali parliament today
They love to deride and slander Somalis based on a government and power sharing system that is imposed from outside by foreign governments, other stakeholders and whom everyone sees as illegitimate.
If you look at the authentic forms of governance that Somalis formed domestically independent of outsiders and their backing. It has none of those bad qualities that they keep assigning to us and our culture.
That's why i always emphasize the ICU and Kacaan government a lot. Those were real Somali governments formed through organic responses. As well as draw upon examples of governing efficiency in our sultanates and city states.
The run down that i showed above, shows how the adoption of the Somali language was not a hindrance during the Kacaan regime. I suspect you will find a similar conclusion with the Islamic Courts Union if they do a study on it, i have seen their symbols, posters, court documents and books they made written in Somali , that didn't hinder their impartial rulings.
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How did the kacaan system work and how do you think the ICU government would have worked out
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