Are Somalis and afar the same?
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Who asked you? Am asking her cause the Eritrean and Tigray are the same people.
Kizaru
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your actin like we are any better. Its very clean and astehetically much more better looking then most african cities. There is not a lot of congestion, large groups and loud and essessive noise. Everyone is to themselves. Probably one of the cleansest cities the entire horn
Nigeria is 100x richer yet lagos looks like a slum with 1000's of people packed in 1 square km.
Kizaru
Cast in the name of God Ye not Guilty
There isnt one group in horn of africa that doesnt mog ethiopians.
No, Tigray and tigrinya aren’t the same people.
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Tigrinya people - Wikipedia
Stupid comparison. The people in Tigray and the highlands of Eritrea are the same there's no difference culturally between them
Matter fact even Amhara are related to them.
They use the same writing, same history and many more
Tigrinya is the name of the language that both sides of the border speak in and Afwerki used the language name as the name of his ethnicity in his so called multi ethnic state of EritreaNo, Tigray and tigrinya aren’t the same people.
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Tigrinya people - Wikipedia
Culturally Amxaar are different from them and their languages aren't even mutually intelligibleMatter fact even Amhara are related to them.
They use the same writing, same history and many more
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
The historical name of Eritrean Tigrinya-speakers is Kebessa. All ethnic groups in Eri are referred to by their language (e.g Tigre-speakers never referred to themselves as “Tigre” until ELF/EPLF rolled around. Same with Saho-speakers)
On the primordial level, Kebessa are identical to Tigrayans but historically they’ve proven to be different peoples. It would be like saying all Serbo-Croat speakers or all German-speakers are the same even though they’re clearly fractured into a multitude of identities
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The split between the Kebessa and Tigray has to do with historical political difference between the feudal lords that rose during Zemene Mesafint where the lords Tigray province invaded Hamasien and all of Kebessa lands or provinces and that doesn't mean there's ethnic or cultural difference between the two people as the examples you have given Serbs and Croats are very culturally different from each other.
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
The split goes further back than that. The animosity between them is rooted in the Zemene Mesafint.
Regardless there are some cultural differences that as a result of the differing relations with central Abyssinia. Tigrayans observed the Fethe Negast (Abyssinian law) meanwhile Kebessa had their own legal system of jurisprudence (Hgi Endebah) https://www.jstor.org/stable/40341624
Even on the social level there are some differences. Kebessa were communitarian agrarians while Tigrayans were generally peasants within a feudal system. Organisationally there’s also a clan structure amongst the Kebessa that isn’t really present amongst Tigrayans.
As for the Serbo-Croat analogy, there are more Serbo-Croat speakers than Serbs and Croats. It’s more like Serbs and Montenegrins
Edit: I’d say it’s also worth looking at the oral history of the Tigre and Saho (that’s been scribed by Orientalists like Littmann) since they do make a distinction between Tigrayans and Kebessa too in regards to their own origins
How many generations do kebbesa clans go?
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Are Oromos and Somalis the same? Are Issaq and Lafti Nega the same
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
The oral law relating to clans goes back to the 14th century (written down in the 19th century) but the kinship groups themselves probably go back a lot further
How many generations can you personally count?
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
I can go about 8/9 generations back of my own lineage. The way land tenure works in the Eritrean highlands is that as long as someone is native to a certain district, they belong to the clan said district is named after. I’m from Deqqi Teshim (Children of Teshim) so I know for sure that if I go back however many generations, I will have an ancestor called Ato Teshim of who I share with everyone from the district
Wow, 8 generations is nothing, average Somali can go back 30.
seldiboy
Resident Eritrean | Ye's strongest soldier
I think it has to do with the dynamic between settled agriculturalism vs nomadic pastoralism. I know groups like the Saho and Tigre/Beni Amer can go back many more generations than just 8. For someone who traditionally stays in one place, your residence is proof of lineage. Whereas for someone who is always on the go, extended lineage is key in proving who you are
