We have no claim to Ancient Egypt

[Rocca Littorio]

Those were commoner Ancient Egyptians, not Greek elites. The best portraits available (Fayum mummy portraits) besides the busts of the pharaohs.

The Egyptian population hasn't changed over all those thousands of years.

The only major impact that happened was additional Sub-Saharan African admixture being brought to Egypt in modern times through the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade facilitated by the domestication of the camel and Berber/Arab traders (uh traitors).

Europeans dominated Egypt since Alexander the Great conquered it. The city of Alexandria and its landmarks are a testament to their legacy in Egypt.

I'm not saying Egyptians were black but they were browner than a Mediterranean.

Case in point.

Cleopatra, Plotemaic Greek ruler of Ancient Egypt:

Rameses II, Egyptian ruler:

 

[Apollo]

Egyptians have almost no genuine Greek admixture.

Italians ruled over Somalia, but almost no Somalis have Italian admixture. Same thing.

 

[Always Lit]

Those were Ancient Egyptians, not Greek elites. The best portraits available (Fayum mummy portraits) besides the busts of the pharaohs.

The Egyptian population hasn't changed over all those thousands of years.

The only major impact that happened was additional Sub-Saharan African admixture being brought to Egypt in modern times through the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade facilitated by the domestication of the camel and Berber/Arab traders (uh traitors).

salaad tuko waryaa or your wish will come true and youll meet fircaun in Hell.

 

[Rocca Littorio]

Egyptians have almost no genuine Greek admixture.

Italians ruled over Somalia, but almost no Somalis have Italian admixture. Same thing.

That's because they were forced to leave during the Egyptian revolution of 1952. In 1940, there were around 250,000 Greeks not including mixed Greco-Egyptians who were counted as Egyptian. They controlled the banking, agriculture and manufacturing sectors.

Furthermore, Egyptians were heavily Hellenized as people.

According to Walker, the early Ptolemaic Greek colonists married local women and adopted Egyptian religious beliefs, and by Roman times, their descendants were viewed as Egyptians by the Roman rulers, despite their own self-perception of being Greek.

Source: Susan Walker, Morris Bierbrier: Ancient Faces, Mummy Portraits from Roman Egypt, London 1997

Also, it is said the Fayum basin, which these paintings originate from had a large Greek population as well as a significant Hellenized Egyptian one.

It is estimated that as much as 30 percent of the population of Faiyum was Greek during the Ptolemaic period, with the rest being native Egyptians. By the Roman period, much of the "Greek" population of Faiyum was made-up of either Hellenized Egyptians or people of mixed Egyptian-Greek origins

Source: Bagnall, R.S. in Susan Walker, ed. Ancient Faces : Mummy Portraits in Roman Egypt (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications). New York: Routledge, 2000, p. 27

 

[Keeysan]

I can feel the dilemma in this thread. Somalis wallahi :siilaanyolaugh:

Claiming a migration from the levant into the Horn through Yemen. Is this to prove the Cauca...origin

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But when it comes to the Nile valley discussions you guys claim movement from there moving southwards into the Horn to claim...

No proof of an extinction event (the remainder is just an admixed population). Also, who is to say Nilosaharan's all looked like that. The contemporaries are all mixed with Niger-Congo peoples too (no such thing as 100 percent proto-Nilosaharan any more). By posting those photos you're begging to be a rape baby from two unattractive groups. Hook nose and blick, aren't getting you Somali buddy.

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? I keep finding more distinct people in this group too

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I can feel the dilemma in this thread. Somalis wallahi :siilaanyolaugh:

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But when it comes to the Nile valley discussions you guys claim movement from there moving southwards into the Horn to claim...




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? I keep finding more distinct looks in this group too

The desperation is real wallah


They can't bring themselves to accept the fact the Copts/Modern Egyptians are the descendants of those who built this Noble civilisation:

 

[Apollo]

@Rocca Littorio

Have fun reading this study:

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Ancient Egyptians were not highly Sub-Saharan. In fact, less so than the modern population.

Also, little to no Greek input detected in mummies near Fayum.

This discussion is like beating a dead horse.

 

[Rocca Littorio]

@Rocca Littorio

Have fun reading this study:

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Ancient Egyptians were not highly Sub-Saharan. In fact, less so than the modern population.

Also, little to no Greek input detected in mummies near Fayum.

This discussion is like beating a dead horse.

Geniune question:

How do you determine that the DNA are of Egyptians instead of Levantites/Greeks living in Egypt?

They said they found Anatolian DNA on a lot of the mummies analysed.

We find that ancient Egyptians are most closely related to Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in the Levant, as well as to Neolithic Anatolian and European populations

We know that Greeks, Libyans and Syrians lived in Faiyum (https://bit.ly/2R95b40) so one could say that they used their DNA.

 

[Grant]

Umm @Grant, Can you dispel some of the lies in this thread

Some folks seem to have missed the red parts in the main article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits


"While commonly believed to represent Greek settlers in Egypt,[17][18] the Faiyum portraits instead reflect the complex synthesis of the predominant Egyptian culture and that of the elite Greek minority in the city.[14] According to Walker, the early Ptolemaic Greek colonists married local women and adopted Egyptian religious beliefs, and by Roman times, their descendants were viewed as Egyptians by the Roman rulers, despite their own self-perception of being Greek.[19] The dental morphology[20] of the Roman-period Faiyum mummies was also compared with that of earlier Egyptian populations, and was found to be "much more closely akin" to that of ancient Egyptians than to Greeks or other European populations.[21]

The portraits represent native Egyptians, some of whom had adopted Greek or Latin names, then seen as ‘status symbols’.[22][23][24][18][25] DNA studies show genetic continuity between the Pre-Ptolemaic, Ptolemaic and Roman populations, indicating that foreign rule impacted the town’s population only to a very limited degree at the genetic level.[26"

 

[madaxweyne]

Geniune question:

How do you determine that the DNA are of Egyptians instead of Levantites/Greeks living in Egypt?

They said they found Anatolian DNA on a lot of the mummies analysed.



We know that Greeks, Libyans and Syrians lived in Faiyum (https://bit.ly/2R95b40) so one could say that they used their DNA.

sahib are you sure about that Egypt may have been invaded by greeks just like
iraq iran and the levent by Alexander the great, thats not to say those areas where grekorised and are now European white thats ridiculous to suggest people
from Greece traveled thousands of miles and displaced million of people

check the dna and genetics testing of Egyptians they stayed mostly the same except the arab input is larger then previously thought roman and greek influence
the greeks did not penetrate as far down as faiyum they stayed mostly in the northern port cities of egypt like Alexandria greeks where urban dwelers.

 

[Rocca Littorio]

sahib are you sure about that Egypt may have been invaded by greeks just like
iraq iran and the levent by Alexander the great, thats not to say those areas where grekorised and are now European white thats ridiculous to suggest people
from Greece traveled thousands of miles and displaced million of people

check the dna and genetics testing of Egyptians they stayed mostly the same except the arab input is larger then previously thought roman and greek influence
the greeks did not penetrate as far down as faiyum they stayed mostly in the northern port cities of egypt like Alexandria greeks where urban dwelers.

Greeks settled in Egypt in multiple occasions. These are the four waves I remember:

1. Alexander the Great Greeks: Lived in Alexandria, adopted Egyptian customs and were considered Egyptian.
2. Ptolemaic Greeks: These Greeks came with the Ptolemies and settled in Faiyum which was the breadbasket of the Ptolemaic dynasty. These Greeks intermarried Egyptians.
3. Roman-Egypt Greeks: These Greeks came with the arrival of Gaius Octavius (Augustus) to Egypt. These Greeks considered the above two groups as Egyptian despite them claiming Greek culture/heritage.
4. Ottoman Greeks: These Greeks came with the Ottoman Empire and settled in Egypt. These were the main target of Gamal Abdel-Nasser's nationalisation and Arabisation policies.

Sxb, the Ptolemies settled a lot of Greek inhabitants on reclaimed lands in Faiyum and imported a lot of native Egyptians to work on papyrus fields. Furthermore, 30% of Faiyum was Greek. If that is so, obviously some of the paintings would be of Greeks, as it is their painting style that is used.

 

[Rocca Littorio]

I'm not claiming Ancient Egypt or saying they were black.

But a lot of data/information used to analyse Egyptian peoples were from Ptolemaic/Roman period which was heavily Greek influenced. Further, as Fayum has one of the best-preserved DNA, paintings and other data, people are more inclined to use it as the backbone of their study despite its origin as a Ptolemaic hub with a Greek population.

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Egypt had one of the richest cultlures of the world, now it's a third world shithole. f*ck arabs! Watch, these sand nigggers will try to destoy the pyramids one day.

It's there land and they where the ones who built Ancient Egypt amd the pyramids. You don't hear people yelling f*ck SOMALIS over our country being a 3rd world shitwhole and us destorying waaqist temples in Somalia.

P.S, Egypt is not a third world country.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

@Libaaxseendheer @Yaquub

Watch this, it will dispel the Madowcentric lies you guys have been fed:

 

[Yaquub]

@Libaaxseendheer @Yaquub

Watch this, it will dispel the Madowcentric lies you guys have been fed:

And you trust some white man. These ppl have lied since they conquered the world...i ain't trusting them. There are more white scientists coming out with truth than there are racist whites claiming some african civilisation when they easily get killed from sun burn.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

@Libaaxseendheer @Yaquub

Watch this, it will dispel the Madowcentric lies you guys have been fed:

Dude stop @ing me. We agree to disagree

 

[Ameen]

It's there land and they where the ones who built Ancient Egypt amd the pyramids. You don't hear people yelling f*ck SOMALIS over our country being a 3rd world shitwhole and us destorying waaqist temples in Somalia.

P.S, Egypt is not a third world country.

The people who live in Egypt today are not Egyptians! They're arabs

 

[government]

The people who live in Egypt today are not Egyptians! They're arabs

Have you not read anything that was written in this thread omg

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Faiyum paintings are of roman egypt not ptolemaic egypt dont mix the two.
Ptolemaic egypt-323 bc to 30bc
Roman egypt-30bc to 641 ad
Those are romans

 

[Pastoralite]

Nilotes have mixed with populations from the Central African Republic in South Sudan and with Bantus in Uganda and Kenya.

The modern-day Nilotes are not our ancestors.

:siilaanyolaugh: