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What’s something glorified/praised in Somalia, but shouldn’t be?
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Fighting.
Somalia has never been peaceful in a period of 10 years straight. There was always a war going on somewhere in Somalia. Somalis always glorify war whether they're fighting eachother or they're fighting outsiders. It looks like every Somali generation has experienced a period of war in their lives.
Somalia has never been peaceful in a period of 10 years straight. There was always a war going on somewhere in Somalia. Somalis always glorify war whether they're fighting eachother or they're fighting outsiders. It looks like every Somali generation has experienced a period of war in their lives.
From 1960-1977 there was no war. You could probably extend that to 1990, there was no internal war or Somali fighting eachother if you discount the Ethiopian invasions or their proxy conflicts.
The transition of power between the 1960 government and 1969 government was deliberately done without war or bloodshed and in a way to safeguard peace.
Also after 1990 depending on which region you lived in Ogaden 2018-2025, Somaliland 1995-2023 or Puntland 1999-2025 , its been peaceful and stable without much war or fighting at all.
Those examples show you that if Somalis are left alone their preferred mode of operandi is to live in peace not war.
So i don't agree with you. Somalis don't glorify or praise fighting or qabil talk like OP said.
Somalis culturally speaking they prefer to talk things out then fight and their culture revolves around disuading people from war and agression.
The instability or war you are trying to associate with Somalis is connected to colonialism, our Terrible neighboor ''Ethiopia'' and their allies(particularly Isreal)
Colonialist forked over Somali territory to Ethiopia, and in an attempt to either claim more of our territory or or prevent Somalis from Somalia in supporting our brothers in Ogaden.
They sowed division conflict and war in Somalia, by exploiting and empowering traitors.
You see this plainly mentioned in classified documents from the late 70s and 80s
Since then there has been just successive attempts to destabilize Somalia
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There was war in between that period you named, 64 border war with Ethiopia which ended in a stalemate, and the “shifta” conflictFrom 1960-1977 there was no war. You could probably extend that to 1990, there was no internal war or Somali fighting eachother if you discount the Ethiopian invasions or their proxy conflicts.
Also after 1990 depending on which region you lived in Ogaden 2018-2025, Somaliland 1995-2023 or Puntland 1999-2025 , its been peaceful and stable without much war or fighting at all.
Those examples show you that if Somalis are left alone their mode of operandi is to live in peace not war.
So i don't agree with you. Somalis don't glorify or praise fighting or qabil talk like OP said.
Somalis culturally speaking they prefer to talk things out then fight and their culture revolves around disuading people from war and agression.
The instability or war you are trying to associate with Somalis is connected to colonialism, our Terrible neighboor ''Ethiopia'' and their allies(particularly Isreal)
Colonialist forked over Somali territory to Ethiopia, and in an attempt to either claim more of our territory or or prevent Somalis from Somalia in supporting our brothers Ogaden.
They sowed division conflict and war in Somalia, by exploiting and empowering traitors.
You see this plainly mentioned in classified documents from
Since then there has been just successive attempts to destabilize Ethiopia and they are added by Isreal
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Being “landheere”
How does having a few extra names or belonging to a more important clan/subclan make you any different to the average Johnny. These people are usually the bums too
How does having a few extra names or belonging to a more important clan/subclan make you any different to the average Johnny. These people are usually the bums too
'Xamar Cadey' is not the Capital for Somalis, southerners just like to insist on it for their own personal gains (unakah leh), if they were truly about 'Somalinimo', the events of 91 would not have transpired.
There shouldn't be any Capital for Somalis, we're too xaasid and shortsighted for it, let every clan build his own cities/deegans.
There shouldn't be any Capital for Somalis, we're too xaasid and shortsighted for it, let every clan build his own cities/deegans.
Yeah that one is the weird to me, how that term has taken on a new meaning.
Spoke about how it was used traditionally speaking:
That was not an internal conflict and Ethiopia initiated that war. The shifta was an insurgency by NFD Somalis.
Some Somalis seem to think they are too good for physical labor and only consider office jobs acceptable.(Not diaspora)
Yeah but it still counts as it’s war.
The events 1991 was Ethiopian proxies toppling the government, what happened after is that they took their armed advantage to brutalize everyone. Later on was backed by the CIA and Mossad.
It wasn't clan driven, because those very same people went against their own clan members, it led to a decade of local Somalis fighting them to regain control and safeguard eachother in ICU
The direct foreign interventions also undermined the local authorities that would pacify the area like we saw in Puntland and Somaliland.
There shouldn't be any Capital for Somalis, we're too xaasid and shortsighted for it, let every clan build his own cities/deegans.
It goes against Somali history and culture. Major cities have always been multi-clanal.
There has never been a region or city built by a single clan. It really wouldn't make sense.
Somalis of all clans move cross regionally and invest in eachother cities and regions.
For example when Bosaso was experiencing growth in late 90s and early 2000s Professor Samatar wrote this:
Horn of Africa - Volume 15 - Page 131
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I think that's an oversimplification, although there is a perception like that. There is also a lot of Somalis back home who want to do manual labour work but the companies prefer cheaper labour done by foreigners like Indians or chinese recently
Somalia needs to have tougher labour policies to protect and encourage local workers and open up more vocational schools.
Shared a report that talks about this:
No in Somalia a good sizeable portion of the construction builders are still Somalis. Not all foreigners. Foreigners are more recently being recruited to meet a demand.
He said that the foreigners they employ do not do any work that can be done by local workers. They also encourage the transfer of skills to the local workforce.
Iftin currently employs 17 foreigners and 10 locals on permanent contracts. When a project is under construction, they hire more locals on daily wages, such as men like Ali and Hassan.
There is outsourcing happening to Chinese and Indians from overseas not Kenyans, that may puts pressure on the job availability/security of locals: According to this article
Somali builders feel ousted by foreign workers in Puntland
(ERGO) – Abdiaziz Issa Daud, a builder in Garowe, blames the loss of his job and his subsequent abandonment by his wife on the influx of foreign workers from India and China into the Somali state of Puntland.www.hiiraan.com
Outsourcing of labour is pretty much something happening world wide. It has to do with the incentive of companies to make a profit
Be that as they may, that is Ethiopian proxies, crimes were committed against civilians.
This is not an attack on anyone, what I am advocating for is that there shouldn't be any Capital, no clan should have a monopoly on their city having the seat of government, we should all opt for a Confederation. UAE, Switzerland, Belgium and many other countries function just fine with it.
Somali culture (qabil/ignorance) is not synonymous with government, we can't keep doing the same thing and hoping to expect different results.
You are trying to suggest what happened in 1991 means Somalis lack somalinimo or care only about their narrow clan. It's not true, local Somalis across clan lines, businessmen, sheikhs , elders went far and beyond to defend, unite and rescue each other in the midst of it all. Covered it here:
Greater Israel Explained: The Israeli Plan to Conquer the Arab World (Somalia ties into this i'll explain)
I believe Somalia is in a better situation now than before. Firstly we can retrospectively look back at things to gain a better understanding, it's a good thing all those twitter archival accounts are starting to reveal the truth to us. Our potential eastern allies are much stronger now than...
www.somalispot.com
I don't fully support the current federal structure in the long run, but i now believe it could possibly evolve into some kind of unitary decentralized structure, that allows for local governments in different regions but that citizenship or political participation is not clan based. That what i am hopeful about.
The had a hand in arming, organizing and creating that group. It was an ongoing harassment campaign for several years by those same groups that eventually exhausted the resources and defense capabilities by the government that led to toppling.
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The Derg was still supporting them, the same way we continued to support Ethiopian rebels. The funds from both sides, but more so from Somalia's side, dried up. Ethiopia had more resources to spare up until the rebels got the momentum unlike Somalia.
I found this but I don't know how accurate it is
Or Djibouti which has never seen war in general for the whole 20th century. Last war in Djibouti was the ottoman conflict in the 1800s, Aussa sultanate becoming a vessel then france leasing the land from Ciise Ugaas and Afar Sultan to create a trading port called DjiboutiFrom 1960-1977 there was no war. You could probably extend that to 1990, there was no internal war or Somali fighting eachother if you discount the Ethiopian invasions or their proxy conflicts.
The transition of power between the 1960 government and 1969 government was deliberately done without war or bloodshed and in a way to safeguard peace.
Also after 1990 depending on which region you lived in Ogaden 2018-2025, Somaliland 1995-2023 or Puntland 1999-2025 , its been peaceful and stable without much war or fighting at all.
Those examples show you that if Somalis are left alone their preferred mode of operandi is to live in peace not war.
So i don't agree with you. Somalis don't glorify or praise fighting or qabil talk like OP said.
Somalis culturally speaking they prefer to talk things out then fight and their culture revolves around disuading people from war and agression.
The instability or war you are trying to associate with Somalis is connected to colonialism, our Terrible neighboor ''Ethiopia'' and their allies(particularly Isreal)
Colonialist forked over Somali territory to Ethiopia, and in an attempt to either claim more of our territory or or prevent Somalis from Somalia in supporting our brothers in Ogaden.
They sowed division conflict and war in Somalia, by exploiting and empowering traitors.
You see this plainly mentioned in classified documents from the late 70s and 80s
Since then there has been just successive attempts to destabilize Somalia
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