What Are Your Investment Strategies

[DR OSMAN]

I already found out key factor. They must have 'assets' worth a-lot more then their 'yearly' revenue in case of collapse. Hence crypto has no intrisic value to me but people backing only.

 

[Hilmaam]

Index fund is setting a 'mark' and scanning sectors and putting fund into it, U won't get rich that way, it's ok for long-term slow growth tho. Trust me u need to study stock market. Their cud be an index with lower return, but one or two companies owning large growth which index won't pick up on.

Collect stock growth and your dividend. If you want to get rich and take big risk people should know opposite can easily happen and you lose your whole investment. Their is fine line between investment and speculation/gambling . Maybe use 10% for individual stock and things like crypto and penny stocks . But 99% of time index funds is way to go

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam index funds looks ok if u want to 'retire' and store your money but it's not much help when u want to develop capital, where a level of risk(calculated) of course is needed.

Individual stocks may rise and fall, but indexes tend to rise over time. With index funds, you won’t get bull returns during a bear market. But you won’t lose cash in a single investment that sinks as the market turns skyward, either. And the S&P 500 has posted an average annual return of nearly 10% since 1928.

10% growth? take away 1% a year for fees, 3-5% inflation, cost of living expenses. Your only marginally ahead depending on how much capital u invested if u factor everything in.

5% ahead a year god knows what ur bills are in the year. U ain't getting rich with index even tho it's safe u wont lose money but your not rich either. That's the risk/reward index they use to ensure u only slightly ahead. So if u put 100k in, next year it will be 110k loooool, then take out all the expenses i mentioned, u will see why its pointless unless u made ur money and just want it sitting there for safety

 

[Hilmaam]

@Hilmaam index funds looks ok if u want to 'retire' and store your money but it's not much help when u want to develop capital, where a level of risk(calculated) of course is needed.

Individual stocks may rise and fall, but indexes tend to rise over time. With index funds, you won’t get bull returns during a bear market. But you won’t lose cash in a single investment that sinks as the market turns skyward, either. And the S&P 500 has posted an average annual return of nearly 10% since 1928.

10% growth? take away 1% a year for fees, 3-5% inflation, cost of living expenses. Your only marginally ahead depending on how much capital u invested if u factor everything in.

5% ahead a year god knows what ur bills are in the year. U ain't getting rich with index even tho it's safe u wont lose money but your not rich either. That's the risk/reward index they use to ensure u only slightly ahead. So if u put 100k in, next year it will be 110k loooool, then take out all the expenses i mentioned, u will see why its pointless unless u made ur money and just want it sitting there for safety

10% plus dividends which can between 2-3. This is paid quarterly to investors. Management fee for SPY is .09%. Invest 1k you will be 90 cents in fee. Index funds no point hiring some shady investment firm do it yourself .

Your not supposed to get rich in market your supposed to beat inflation and grow wealth if you are thinking of striking rich you will invest like casino you have to be methodical and you will have nice nest egg for retirement and children this is the way to generational wealth and starting business.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam the value over time theory of index is good technique but not the only technique, u need 'holistic' technique, that's why the returns r so low. When u rely on 1 technique 4 investing that is not 'strategical' and ur missing out on 'gems' that ur technique failed to pick up.

U need to make 20-40% yearly niyahow not 1%, plus u need to know when to own 'equity' which is a form of index, plus it's about 'time' of return, 40% quarterly is an absolute kill compared to 40% yearly.

 

[Hilmaam]

@Hilmaam the value over time theory of index is good technique but not the only technique, u need 'holistic' technique, that's why the returns r so low. When u rely on 1 technique 4 investing that is not 'strategical' and ur missing out on 'gems' that ur technique failed to pick up.

U need to make 20-40% yearly niyahow not 1%, plus u need to know when to own 'equity' which is a form of index, plus it's about 'time' of return, 40% quarterly is an absolute kill compared to 40% yearly.

Lol bro that is a lot 20-40% you will need some propietary fancy algorithm and Harvard Wall Street inside connections, if you get that return in a year I will eat my words

 

[DR OSMAN]

Lol bro that is a lot 20-40% you will need some propietary fancy algorithm and Harvard Wall Street inside connections, if you get that return in a year I will eat my words

Yes it's tough in stock market I agree, but wait for it, I am developing my holistic technique still, plus I know what I want in 'returns' hence knowing ur 'goals' is important so u can skip the rest. I am also ensuring the company has 'assets of value' worth more then it's yearly revenue as a 'safety' meaasure if it goes broke.

Im going to use the 'value of time' historically to look at their growth and balance sheets. Plus I know their CEO 'capability' is big 'sell' 4 me especially if he did 'market growth' in other companies plus his cost reduction policies. I also want to ensure productivity on their 'expenses'. I am already lookin at small-medium-large corporations and 'eyeing' them on those 'techniques'. The only thing I need now is how to 'value' their stock vs their real market value to ensure it's not over the top or 'inflated due to popularity'

Plus I want to know 'sector' value over time and future prediction to ensure my company of choice is 'securing' the largest share, plus I want to know wat other companies are doing in my sector to balance it out.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam 20% is pretty easy, 40% is hard. So 30% is what I will settle for, plus it has to be for at least 5 years is another rule. So switching around will be happening, I know I won't get that over 10 years.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam my technique also involves selling when it's dropped to 10% growth so idiots still buy it seeing 'value' cuz noone will buy something that still hasn't got some fuel left in it. Plus im trying to avoid 'new' companies in teething process(first 5 years) even tho that will be hard

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam we should watch stock market when we have large capital ready. I agree if u have millions put it in indexes but slice of 10-20% for 'real investments'. Im not suggesting to put everything into risky shares but u need to accept a level of 'risk' for reward also, hence splitting up your stocks up untill your risk appetite threshold has been reached.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam im studying stock exchange, i will update this thread when I found more techniques to use. Currently im lookin at the number of ppl involved 'it's 3 million' in american markets. But there's only 2400 companies.

Trusted by over 3 million individual investors worldwide.
With 2,400+ of the world's best companies, innovators, and problem solvers listed at the New York Stock Exchange

It's worth

US$28.5 trillion

I am trying to find other important 'data' such as sector 'value' over long periods of historical time vs recent 5 years. Plus I want to find 'historical predictions' so I can calculate the margin of error on 'forecasts' so I take that into consideration when they give me future forecasts.

Then Im going to delve into 'small, medium, large' companies n studying each one with 'largest, medium, smallest' share of it's sector, then read further into their CEO direction too capture new consumers or reduce costs, their assets vs revenue, expenses vs revenue, investments, etc. Productivity to ensure what their payin ppl or expenses is value and not waste. GDP study each year is needed to see the 'drop' on unemployment as that's 'new consumers' if it hasn't dropped much u need to figure out where employed ppl r 'saving' as they wont consume 'twice'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam lots of ppl don't study 'business failures' but I WILL, to see what 'behavior' happens before it goes 'belly up' lol, so once u see those behaviors or traits in ur investment, sell it or dont buy it.

 

[Hilmaam]

@Hilmaam im studying stock exchange, i will update this thread when I found more techniques to use. Currently im lookin at the number of ppl involved 'it's 3 million' in american markets. But there's only 2400 companies.

Trusted by over 3 million individual investors worldwide.
With 2,400+ of the world's best companies, innovators, and problem solvers listed at the New York Stock Exchange

It's worth

US$28.5 trillion

I am trying to find other important 'data' such as sector 'value' over long periods of historical time vs recent 5 years. Plus I want to find 'historical predictions' so I can calculate the margin of error on 'forecasts' so I take that into consideration when they give me future forecasts.

Then Im going to delve into 'small, medium, large' companies n studying each one with 'largest, medium, smallest' share of it's sector, then read further into their CEO direction too capture new consumers or reduce costs, their assets vs revenue, expenses vs revenue, investments, etc. Productivity to ensure what their payin ppl or expenses is value and not waste. GDP study each year is needed to see the 'drop' on unemployment as that's 'new consumers' if it hasn't dropped much u need to figure out where employed ppl r 'saving' as they wont consume 'twice'

That’s dope get that

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam I just wish the internet was easier to navigate to find information. But if they tell us each year how much stock market made, how it was sub divided into sectors, then sub divided into companies. U need to know the baseline so u know what ur playin 4.

Wall Street firms made $27 billion last year. That’s the biggest haul since 2010​

Thats 3 million investors with a margin pool of 27 billion. That's 9k if split equally, but we know that's not the case. So the question is from 9k is minimum u need to make a year. 100k investment, u want ideally 30-50k. Then u do the same on 'each sector' determine the 'ceiling' for them all, then wat each company share is, then it has to address your 30% ideal growth. Plus don't ignore 'small' ones who cud be hungry 4 larger share and on 'growth spiral' with great CEO plans to get there. Where-as large companies cud be cost intensive n lower returns.

 

[Hilmaam]

@Hilmaam I just wish the internet was easier to navigate to find information. But if they tell us each year how much stock market made, how it was sub divided into sectors, then sub divided into companies. U need to know the baseline so u know what ur playin 4.

Wall Street firms made $27 billion last year. That’s the biggest haul since 2010​

Thats 3 million investors with a margin pool of 27 billion. That's 9k if split equally, but we know that's not the case. So the question is from 9k is minimum u need to make a year. 100k investment, u want ideally 30-50k. Then u do the same on 'each sector' determine the 'ceiling' for them all, then company share then it has to address your 30% ideal growth.

Bro there is milllion of data points in stock. They way you approached is new to me but several ways I’ve come across are. There is people who study fundamentals like PE and company earnings, there are chart traders who study charts all day and look for bullish and bearish flags signals like head and shoulder pattern, then there are those who study order flow and try to trade based on sell and buy information all are trying to gain slight edge. When I see big trading firms blow up it made think this isn’t worth jt for average man

 

[DR OSMAN]

Bro there is milllion of data points in stock. They way you approached is new to me but several ways I’ve come across are. There is people who study fundamentals like PE and company earnings, there are chart traders who study charts all day and look for bullish and bearish flags signals like head and shoulder pattern, then there are those who study order flow and try to trade based on sell and buy information all are trying to gain slight edge. When I see big trading firms blow up it made think this isn’t worth jt for average man

If 1 company can give u 30-50k growth on 100k principal is ideal but u may have to split it across companies in same sector or maybe cross sectors and get 30% on each principle deposit. As long as those 'rules' I set in my strategy are addressed.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam I don't trust forecasts or visuals or charts or whatever crap they use untill they show me their historical predictions so i can see how accurate they were on 'actual results', this at least gives u a margin of error to consider with any future prediction they make on company or sectors.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam don't forget to measure their productivity each company, their expenses cud be high due to bloated workforce, inefficient one, bad processes, low morale, bad ceo direction, outdated systems, poor business model, etc and therefore ur losing money when u didn't have too. Thats why its important u baseline them to same companies competitors and see if they r the best 'value'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam my only aim is somalis help each other so we can make wise decisions in investment. But u r absolute right Im not going into stock market untill I make millions thru 'silent partner, investor, capital venturist' on small companies outside the stock-market, as the revenue is sizeable and the sharing pool is low. But studying the consumers of your investment is important too, especially if their on market expansion n where is being targetted the cities n towns with new or higher spending.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hilmaam I can't believe ur interested in crypto yet arguing about 'risk', what the hell 'secures' crypto if all ppl left it, nothing, their no pay out in the event of collapse becuz it has no asset value. Im always ensuring assets is worth more then yearly revenues, while ur going into companies with no assets