what happened to HG

[El Nino]

abgaal are casting the same "we are brothers" "hiraab" spell on hg that idoor used on dhulos for 30 years. this give and take relationships seems very one sided.

Walaalo aan nahay and it took years for us to make up and work together. Hiiraab unity is here to stay, stay mad. It will only get stronger.

 

[AlteKartel]

abgaal are casting the same "we are brothers" "hiraab" spell on hg that idoor used on dhulos for 30 years. this give and take relationships seems very one sided.

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[MacalinDugsi]

I predict a HG MJ alliance. Neighbours with vested interests they already help us fighting AS in mudug. If you think about it we are practically darbi darood.

 

[El Nino]

I predict a HG MJ alliance. Neighbours with vested interests they already help us fighting AS in mudug. If you think about it we are practically darbi darood.

War heedhe yaa tahay, you HG?

 

[MacalinDugsi]

War heedhe yaa tahay, you HG?

Yes bro

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I predict a HG MJ alliance. Neighbours with vested interests they already help us fighting AS in mudug. If you think about it we are practically darbi darood.

tribes that share big borders usually aren’t allies for whatever reason just my observation

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

I predict a HG MJ alliance. Neighbours with vested interests they already help us fighting AS in mudug. If you think about it we are practically darbi darood.

Unicorns will be spotted first before we see that.

 

[AbdiNasir]

HG is very interesting clan wallahi they themselves aren't that united but when the presidency comes around it is a whole other game

 

[geeljre49]

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[Keep it a boqol]

I predict a HG MJ alliance. Neighbours with vested interests they already help us fighting AS in mudug. If you think about it we are practically darbi darood.

I want what you’re smoking

 

[Keep it a boqol]

HG were the biggest supporters for HSM. I’m hearing they ain’t fucking with him anymore despite giving HG everything they want. Is this true? Who are they backing now?

 

[Somali Saayid]

I predict a HG MJ alliance. Neighbours with vested interests they already help us fighting AS in mudug. If you think about it we are practically darbi darood.

When Kim Jong Un become a Olympic athlete and hell freezes over we will have a second MJ- HG alliance.

 

[cow]

They can also forget about ever being a prime minister.

Rooble shit all over it.

 

[Kun_Ciil]

they used to be involved in everything down south illegal isbaaro to business etc, today they seem out of politics.

Qabiil is everything in Somali politics and HG probably the qabiil with the most enemies. As a result they struggle politically.

I agree with that, but there are other factors in play.

@MacalinDugsi

HG are politcally sidelined by the International community and our enemies like Ethiopia as well. This whole political system setup in the South has isolated HG and has constrained them. HG have twice been constrained by International forces.

We have Caydiid in the early 90s, HG were attacked by US forces and International Unisom forces. HG areas in Xamar were attacked and Abgaal were untouched, and because of the 4 month war between them and HG they didn't care about HG since they saw that it served us right.

The second time which was worse, and has been kinda the straw the broke that broke the camels back for HG in the South is the Ethiopian invasion of the ICU in Somali in 2006. The ICU had all qabiil makeups, but HG put all their support and manpower into the ICU. Hassan Dahir Aweys, Aadan Ceyrow, Indhocade, Cabdi Qadir Ali Cumar etc.

The thing that led to the ICU taking Mogadishu was when Bashir Raage and Abukar Cadaani fought over the ceel macaan port. Both of them were Abgaal, but Abukar Cadaani was a big businessmen who supported and funded the Islamic courts. Bashir raage called on the moriyaan, whilst Abukar Cadani sought the help of the Islamic courts of Ifka Xalane(mainly HG with Xassan Dahir Aweys as the head.) The Islamic Courts military force defeated Bashir Raage and his forces, and would then go on consolidate power over Xamar and Shabelle Hoose(which was mainly controlled by HG moriyaan and Indhocade who willingly gave up arms and joined the ICU movement).

Anyways, you all know what happened next, Ethiopia invaded and sided with Abullahi Yusuf and the other exiled warlords from Xamar to take down the ICU. When the Ethiopians attacked Xamar, they attacked the two areas mainly the district of Heliwa(mainly HG and Duduuble) and Bakaaro(Mainly HG and Muursade).

The ICU collapsed, a new government was put in place with the protection of amisom forces.

Why would the international community and Ethiopia give the keys to Villa Somalia to HG when they had a war with a movement that they largely orchestrated ? Why would the occupiers give power to the very same force they dismantled? Even Muursade were isolated from positions of power in the Gov before Kheyre, because they were also a big part of the ICU and Alshabaab.

HG are seen as a pariah by Somalis and by the International community. We have warlords like Caydiid and HG militia fighting against America, and then 13 years later the same HG spearheaded an Islamic movement which could have changed the horn of Africa?

Just know no other Somali qabiil inside Somalia has been attacked by a foreign nation not once but twice. Oh, Marexaan have also been invaded by Ethiopia in Gedo as well when they tried to setup an Islamic courts movement as well.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Just know no other Somali qabiil inside Somalia has been attacked by a foreign nation not once but twice.

Alot of major qabils were attacked by British and Italians. Marehan fought British in JL pre somali republic (MX are partly the reason why JL is part of Somalia and not Kenya. Itoobiyan n SSDF in the 80s. There are some other instances however they were more so politically fuelled rather than a deliberate attempt to attack MX as a clan.

 

[Kun_Ciil]

Alot of major qabils were attacked by British and Italians. Marehan fought British in JL pre somali republic (MX are partly the reason why JL is part of Somalia and not Kenya. Itoobiyan n SSDF in the 80s. There are some other instances however they were more so politically fuelled rather than a deliberate attempt to attack MX as a clan.

Should've said in recent times since the collapse of Siad Barre Government. I can't be listing Hassan Barsane, Biyomaal against the Italians, Sayid Xassan all the way to Ahmed Gureys time lol

 

[Kun_Ciil]

abgaal are casting the same "we are brothers" "hiraab" spell on hg that idoor used on dhulos for 30 years. this give and take relationships seems very one sided.

Bro let Abgaal eat. They are the largest clan in Xamar, and Shabelle Dhexe, we saw how the 4 month war ended in a stalemate.

Even Hassan Dahir Aweys and the other members of the ICU realised they couldn't take control of Xamar and the South properly without getting Abgaal on their side, hence why Sheikh Shariif was made a leader of the movement.

Abgaal and HG no doubt had issues due to the Ali mahdi v Caydiid conflict. But now HG have got to be real, and recognise that their run in the South after the civil war has been put on the brakes and that Abgaal have the support and trust of the international community.

I have nothing against Farmajo, and he is 100 times better than HSM. But a lot of HG who were annoyed by Abgaal always getting the presidential chair realised after Farmaajo that for their qabiil interests they were better off with their fellow Hawiye Hiraab Abgaal in power...

 

[TekNiKo]

HG have a whole state known as Galmudug as their power base. They dont really need Madaxtooyada when Qoor Qoor represents them well.

 

[Kun_Ciil]

HG have a whole state known as Galmudug as their power base. They dont really need Madaxtooyada when Qoor Qoor represents them well.

Problem is HG have put all their money and a lot of their manpower into Xamar. Galmadug is an after thought for the HG that are living in Xamar. Its really underdeveloped, and so most see Xamar and previously the Shabelle Hoose as greener pastures.

Reer MX and Reer Ogadeen give us Jubbaland, and we'll give you Galmadug. It might be a desert, but you can form a mighty darood state extending from Lascanood to Cerigaabo to Bosaaso to Garowe to Galkacyo to Hobyo to Dhusamareeb

Whilst a Hawiye state is formed from Luuq to Gedo to Raskambooni to Kismayo to Jilib to Marka to Barawe, Banaadir, Jowhar to Beledweyne....Eating good ya knaaa!!!!

Isaaq get their three city state and Reer Awdal their own state.

@Abdisamad if we reach such an agreement i will give up on a Somalia nationalist state, and will be a champion of an independent Hawiye state kkkkkkkk

 

[TekNiKo]

Problem is HG have put all their money and a lot of their manpower into Xamar. Galmadug is an after thought for the HG that are living in Xamar. Its really underdeveloped, and so most see Xamar and previously the Shabelle Hoose as greener pastures.

Reer MX and Reer Ogadeen give us Jubbaland, and we'll give you Galmadug. It might be a desert, but you can form a mighty darood state extending from Lascanood to Cerigaabo to Bosaaso to Garowe to Galkacyo to Hobyo to Dhusamareeb

Whilst a Hawiye state is formed from Luuq to Gedo to Raskambooni to Kismayo to Jilib to Marka to Barawe, Banaadir, Jowhar to Beledweyne....Eating good ya knaaa!!!!

Isaaq get their three city state and Reer Awdal their own state.

@Abdisamad if we reach such an agreement i will give up on a Somalia nationalist state, and will be a champion of an independent Hawiye state kkkkkkkk

You should be thankful, we MX are really struggling to head a state thanks to foreign powers and their lackeh. Plus Galmudug has plenty of oil and uranium.