What was going on there before ,during and after the war? Why has it been sabotaged over and over again by outsiders?
Whats the History on Jubbaland?
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Historically it was Oromo (Warra Dayya and Boran) to the south and Samaale to the north, after a smallpox epidemic that killed off 90% of the oromos the Daroods who were living under Orma servitude rebelled against their former masters and took their land in the south west. The east and north was still samaale/reewin and eventually Darood moved in on their land some came on boats too and this is Jubaland today
Thanks for the revisionist history pal
Only Absame or Harti answer . Don’t wanna hear from mx,hawiye or reewin . No offence
How it was obtained:
In short Ogaden removed Pagan Oromos in a multi-decade conflict also involving Harti Marexaan Garre and Degoodi who now settle their own respective areas in Jubbaland or NFD. You can read the Darood invasion to learn more about this interesting story.
The civil war era is a long story in short: Jees -> Morgan/Gabayow -> Barre Hiiraale/Hawiye/Cawlyahan -> Turki/Madoobe -> AS/Turki -> Madoobe
In short Ogaden removed Pagan Oromos in a multi-decade conflict also involving Harti Marexaan Garre and Degoodi who now settle their own respective areas in Jubbaland or NFD. You can read the Darood invasion to learn more about this interesting story.
The civil war era is a long story in short: Jees -> Morgan/Gabayow -> Barre Hiiraale/Hawiye/Cawlyahan -> Turki/Madoobe -> AS/Turki -> Madoobe
Ajuuraan were living under the servitude of the gaalo we liberated them from forced apostasy. Youll notice if your keen in Wajir politics Ajuraan will refer to both Ogaden and Degoodi as foreigners or immigrants.
I see but one thing confuses me tho. Why did Marehans(Hiraale) and Cawlyahan join with USC to capture Kismayo? Weren’t USC extremely anti Darood?
They didnt Jees allied with Caydiid and Gabayow with Morgan. Hiraale being from Galmudug leveraged HG muscle and the ongoing Ogaden infighting to try and establish himself in JL with the JVA.
In the end the winners became clear and everybody but one group can see its over
TheProfessor
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Do u have the link for the book or the pdf version?
Very interesting stuff . Is there like a thread on this that goes in detail step by step?
So Jees was aligned with USC first then they get kicked out by Morgan/Gabyow. Then they get kicked out by Hiraale/HG reinforcement using galmudug connections?
Was the OG infighting between Gabayow sub clan and the Cawlyahan ? And is that the reason why Cawlyahan teamed up with Hiraale/HG?
Just read some stuff about Jees:
1. Why did he align with USC out the blue, weren’t they trynna genocide Daroods?
2. What sub clan is he?
3. He is referred as the butcher of kismayo, which people was he and USC killing?
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Lets hear what everyone says . I want to get the story straight no nonsense .
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Lets hear what everyone says . I want to get the story straight no nonsense .
The Jubaland Somali were nomadic pastoralists who belonged almost exclusively to two clan-families, the Darod and the Hawiye.
1.The most important Hawiye clans in the area were the Ajuran, Shiikaal, Galja'el and the Digodia.
2. The most Important Darod clans were further divided into three main clans: the Marehan, Ogaden and Herti.
3.The Other clans are Mirifle (Rahanweyn), Madow (Bantu), and Bajun.
Although the Ajuran were amongst the earliest of the Somali clans to move south of the River Juba, the Digodia did not begin to enter Jubaland until the last decade of the nineteenth century. Yet both these Hawiye clans insinuated themselves as clients to the tribes that controlled the region, and neither succeeded in establishing their pre-dominance in the area.
All the Darod, on the other hand, were recent arrivals, and their passage across the River Juba took place in the middle of the nineteenth century, when for a few years they became clients of the Galla. This migration represented either a secondary dispersal, on their part, from southern Ethiopia, or it was the last stage of a much larger and longer movement southwards.
Oromo Small Pox wipes them out and Ogadane began their migration.
The climacteric of this migration occurred in 1860, when the Darod defeated the Wardai Galla around Afmadu and drove them out of Jubaland. Within a few months, news of this defeat of the
Wardai had reached northern Somalia and it encouraged further Darod migrations southwards. Harti came in 1860
Groups of Marehan and Ogaden moved towards the Juba from central Somalia, while large numbers of Herti sailed to Kismayu from Berbera, the town in which Mohammad Abdille Hassan first began preaching.
1.The most important Hawiye clans in the area were the Ajuran, Shiikaal, Galja'el and the Digodia.
2. The most Important Darod clans were further divided into three main clans: the Marehan, Ogaden and Herti.
3.The Other clans are Mirifle (Rahanweyn), Madow (Bantu), and Bajun.
Although the Ajuran were amongst the earliest of the Somali clans to move south of the River Juba, the Digodia did not begin to enter Jubaland until the last decade of the nineteenth century. Yet both these Hawiye clans insinuated themselves as clients to the tribes that controlled the region, and neither succeeded in establishing their pre-dominance in the area.
All the Darod, on the other hand, were recent arrivals, and their passage across the River Juba took place in the middle of the nineteenth century, when for a few years they became clients of the Galla. This migration represented either a secondary dispersal, on their part, from southern Ethiopia, or it was the last stage of a much larger and longer movement southwards.
Oromo Small Pox wipes them out and Ogadane began their migration.
The climacteric of this migration occurred in 1860, when the Darod defeated the Wardai Galla around Afmadu and drove them out of Jubaland. Within a few months, news of this defeat of the
Wardai had reached northern Somalia and it encouraged further Darod migrations southwards. Harti came in 1860
Groups of Marehan and Ogaden moved towards the Juba from central Somalia, while large numbers of Herti sailed to Kismayu from Berbera, the town in which Mohammad Abdille Hassan first began preaching.
Cumar jees of spm actually used a lot of Cawlyahan troops from galbeed and bakool to do his first pacification of bay and bakool and arrived in ceelasha biyaha near afgooye. SPM was running the water supply for xamar for weeks. The usc would bring him the diesel for the generators and the OG troops would keep it running. Jees was camping there waiting for a new government to be named by the victors USC-SPM-SNM. Some sections of the USC didn’t want a military wing led by caydid being the head of the government this group were called maifesto. On one night the manifesto guys plus some HG mainly from the saleban and ceyr who feared that the OG would be benefiting the sacad attacked the unexpecting OG Guys who were camped in ceelasha biyaha in xamar outskirts. The daarood bogeyman was still alive so it worked for the manifesto to mess up ceydid’s plans.
The ambush in ceelasha biyaha is when the Cawlyahan decided to leave cumar jees they saw ceydid as a weak man who has no control over the usc and they retreated to bakool and some to jubaland with cumar jees. After arriving in kismaayo the spm and the harti had a meeting for forming an admin in kismaayo and jubaland. Jees didn’t want to include harti front men like Morgan in the admin and saw them as siyad bare remnants. Jees still wanted to ally with ceydid and take the daarood share but 70% of his troops from the ceelasha biyaha ambush wanted nothing to do with ceydid. The Cawlyahan who were his backbone military at that time refused anything with usc and became extremely hateful for the ambush. Most of the mz and bartire soldiers he had also refused and sided with Cawlyahan because they were in the ambush. Jees went out of the way using qabiil card and gathered some of his subclan fresh who had not taken part of the battles before. This started the intra Absame civil war where we lost the heavy weaponry from balidgole airfield to the Belgium and EU troops.
after this there was no United OG front Cawlyahan and bartire left for the middle and lower juba strongholds. Jees lost his strong militia and became non existent while still in kismaayo. Ceydid also lost all his influence in USC. The ceyr hg at this time were the strongest force in Hawiye they wanted to lamy the same game as ceydid and brought bare hiraale and mareexaan from reer diini from mudug as Allies to prevent a untied daarood front. Barre hiraale in the first week killed the richest business man in kismaayo an Absame man named Xaji qoraxay with his ceyr jva. For the next few months they robbed and killed the harti and Absame people in Kismayo.
Stop with the bogus history galjecel and shekhaal were both shegad for the daarood. OG were the friet to capture the waamo from non somali groups .
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Very interesting. You say that Jees and Aideed worked together. Jees controlled the water and Aideed gave him the diesel to run the water. But wasn’t Aideed and his men murdering/raping/looting daroods in xamar during this time period?I get that the enemy of my enemy is my friend stuff but that’s a bit to much for my liking.
@Removed suggest that when Hiraale took over he did this with the aid of not only HG but also Cawlyahan. Is that true?
This Jees fucker sounds like a snake ngl. He never should have aligned with the USC . From the sound of the story to me it sounds like Morgan/Gabyow team were the right ones to take over instead of Jees.
Also what subclan is Jees and Gabyow ?
Funny thing is you Hard Darrods killing people, even Dhulbante troops were killing civilians in Hodan.
Aideed chased all of them into Kenya, and Kismayo areas.
TheProfessor
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crying as much u want jubaland is darood only Aideed died like biiitche screaming and crying
Your imagination is funny, But reality is Jubbaland is a Shared area, people live with each other and farm.
Take your "Darood only" mentality to Ethiopia and PL
TheProfessor
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Ive been to the Jubbas, and I have seen and know more than any of you " online experts"
Why do you think the Paper Government of Jubbaland cant go past Afmadow?
Why has it taken more than 10 years to have proper development?
Because you dont RUN SHIT
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