Whats the History on Jubbaland?

[bidenkulaha]

Very interesting. You say that Jees and Aideed worked together. Jees controlled the water and Aideed gave him the diesel to run the water. But wasn’t Aideed and his men murdering/raping/looting daroods in xamar during this time period?I get that the enemy of my enemy is my friend stuff but that’s a bit to much for my liking.

@Removed suggest that when Hiraale took over he did this with the aid of not only HG but also Cawlyahan. Is that true?

This Jees fucker sounds like a snake ngl. He never should have aligned with the USC . From the sound of the story to me it sounds like Morgan/Gabyow team were the right ones to take over instead of Jees.

Also what subclan is Jees and Gabyow ?

Crazy myth that Caydiid was behind the looting etc. he barely controlled what the soldiers were doing after the break up of USC. It all got out of hand and he couldn’t enact his plan for a USC+SNM+SPM allied government

 

[Superiorabdi]

Crazy myth that Caydiid was behind the looting etc. he barely controlled what the soldiers were doing after the break up of USC. It all got out of hand and he couldn’t enact his plan for a USC+SNM+SPM allied government

Hold on he didn’t order the rape/murders/lootings? That’s a legit question. There was a plan to ally all those movements?

 

[bidenkulaha]

Hold on he didn’t partake in the rape/murders/lootings? That’s a legit question. There was a plan to ally all those movements?

Absolutely. There was no directive to kill Daroods. In fact if you look at Aidiid’s speeches at the time he makes it clear not to. Unfortunately in a war where you are being attacked from behind the front lines and soldiers are barely paid or aren’t even, with little access to food or logistics to resupply they’re going to lose control.

the plan for the transitional government was immediately ruined when Ali Mahdi declared president after receiving support of the anti-Aidiid USC. SNM which has declared independence removed their observers engaged in the discussions to bring together SNM and SPM+USC.

At the time some were scared aidiid would become too powerful and wanted to move on from a general being president. Others were like many Abgaal generals were against a non-Xamar HG taking it over. Regardless had this not happened aidiiid+jees transitional would’ve likely been successful and avoided a new SNF (mostly marexan/barre loyalists) offensive from the South led by Morgan (son in law of Barre)

 

[TheProfessor]

Crazy myth that Caydiid was behind the looting etc. he barely controlled what the soldiers were doing after the break up of USC. It all got out of hand and he couldn’t enact his plan for a USC+SNM+SPM allied government

He looted muqadishu stop lying

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Your imagination is funny, But reality is Jubbaland is a Shared area, people live with each other and farm.

Take your "Darood only" mentality to Ethiopia and PL

And where are you from mister

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

Stop with the bogus history galjecel and shekhaal were both shegad for the daarood. OG were the friet to capture the waamo from non somali groups .

Sheekhaal, Gaalje’el, Awramaleh, Ajuuraan, and Degodiye, have roots in the Jubbas, It is not Bogus History, no matter how Hard you try, you cant Erase the History of the Jubbas, and remember Ajuuraan where there before ANY DAAROOD.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Very interesting. You say that Jees and Aideed worked together. Jees controlled the water and Aideed gave him the diesel to run the water. But wasn’t Aideed and his men murdering/raping/looting daroods in xamar during this time period?I get that the enemy of my enemy is my friend stuff but that’s a bit to much for my liking.

@Removed suggest that when Hiraale took over he did this with the aid of not only HG but also Cawlyahan. Is that true?

This Jees fucker sounds like a snake ngl. He never should have aligned with the USC . From the sound of the story to me it sounds like Morgan/Gabyow team were the right ones to take over instead of Jees.

Also what subclan is Jees and Gabyow ?

Aided actually freed most of the daarood prisoners in xamar that siyad barre arrested at that time. Men like Gabyow were in prison and freed by usc. Daarood killing and even the killings of the nuux maxamud were mainly done by the general armed Hawiye militia.
Jees and all the opposition were against the strong kacaan government there was no such thing as allied with usc or Hawiye the kacaan was killing OG shacab in jubaland and they were doing the same thing to Hawiye later on. Spm did their fighting in the south and usc in the central Somalia.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

Sheekhaal, Gaalje’el, Awramaleh, Ajuuraan, and Degodiye, have roots in the Jubbas, It is not Bogus History, no matter how Hard you try, you cant Erase the History of the Jubbas, and remember Ajuuraan where there before ANY DAAROOD.

Sections of ajuraan who joined gaalomadoow and became pagans and eventually escaped with the borana in Kenya. You’re talking about pagans I chased away with their pagan masters the borana. Like I posted I have so many written books of the jubas you have no history you Miskiin hutu. I will whoop your ass if you come with that stuff like I did to your jva cousins.

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

Sections of ajuraan who joined gaalomadoow and became pagans and eventually escaped with the borana in Kenya. You’re talking about pagans I chased away with their pagan masters the borana. Like I posted I have so many written books of the jubas you have no history you Miskiin hutu. I will whoop your ass if you come with that stuff like I did to your jva cousins.

You cant whop nothing, go hide under your Kenyan Daddy you miskiin refugee.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

You cant whop nothing, go hide under your Kenyan Daddy you miskiin refugee.

How about you tell your papa who came to take refuge in my land in jubaland ?

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Cumar jees of spm actually used a lot of Cawlyahan troops from galbeed and bakool to do his first pacification of bay and bakool and arrived in ceelasha biyaha near afgooye. SPM was running the water supply for xamar for weeks. The usc would bring him the diesel for the generators and the OG troops would keep it running. Jees was camping there waiting for a new government to be named by the victors USC-SPM-SNM. Some sections of the USC didn’t want a military wing led by caydid being the head of the government this group were called maifesto. On one night the manifesto guys plus some HG mainly from the saleban and ceyr who feared that the OG would be benefiting the sacad attacked the unexpecting OG Guys who were camped in ceelasha biyaha in xamar outskirts. The daarood bogeyman was still alive so it worked for the manifesto to mess up ceydid’s plans.

The ambush in ceelasha biyaha is when the Cawlyahan decided to leave cumar jees they saw ceydid as a weak man who has no control over the usc and they retreated to bakool and some to jubaland with cumar jees. After arriving in kismaayo the spm and the harti had a meeting for forming an admin in kismaayo and jubaland. Jees didn’t want to include harti front men like Morgan in the admin and saw them as siyad bare remnants. Jees still wanted to ally with ceydid and take the daarood share but 70% of his troops from the ceelasha biyaha ambush wanted nothing to do with ceydid. The Cawlyahan who were his backbone military at that time refused anything with usc and became extremely hateful for the ambush. Most of the mz and bartire soldiers he had also refused and sided with Cawlyahan because they were in the ambush. Jees went out of the way using qabiil card and gathered some of his subclan fresh who had not taken part of the battles before. This started the intra Absame civil war where we lost the heavy weaponry from balidgole airfield to the Belgium and EU troops.

after this there was no United OG front Cawlyahan and bartire left for the middle and lower juba strongholds. Jees lost his strong militia and became non existent while still in kismaayo. Ceydid also lost all his influence in USC. The ceyr hg at this time were the strongest force in Hawiye they wanted to lamy the same game as ceydid and brought bare hiraale and mareexaan from reer diini from mudug as Allies to prevent a untied daarood front. Barre hiraale in the first week killed the richest business man in kismaayo an Absame man named Xaji qoraxay with his ceyr jva. For the next few months they robbed and killed the harti and Absame people in Kismayo.

Omar Jess didn't understand realpolitik and Absame in Somalia suffered because of it.

 

[Daadhi Tarree]

Thanks for the revisionist history pal

Its actually true daroods were clients for orma

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Sheekhaal, Gaalje’el, Awramaleh, Ajuuraan, and Degodiye, have roots in the Jubbas, It is not Bogus History, no matter how Hard you try, you cant Erase the History of the Jubbas, and remember Ajuuraan where there before ANY DAAROOD.

Ajuraan have but it is in Wajir as for the rest they were shegaads living under ogaden and Harti immunity.
Some even looking after their cattle like galjecel were brought to be herdsmen for ogafen and harti.


Sheikhal they were macalim dugsi teaching ogaden kids.
Awrmala were established in the 1960s by Harti to garner more votes in Lower Shabelle making MJ the Kingpin of Kismaayo politics in the 1960s.

Ajuran were wiped out and destroyed and their last centre of power was around qalafe and not Jubbaland.
Those that came to Jl were probably escaping the war.
Ajuran ruled over Xamar and middles shabelle all the way to qalafe.

Ajuran,degodia,sheikhal,Galjecel are not hawiye.

 

[Removed]

Very interesting stuff . Is there like a thread on this that goes in detail step by step?

So Jees was aligned with USC first then they get kicked out by Morgan/Gabyow. Then they get kicked out by Hiraale/HG reinforcement using galmudug connections?

Was the OG infighting between Gabayow sub clan and the Cawlyahan ? And is that the reason why Cawlyahan teamed up with Hiraale/HG?

Just read some stuff about Jees:

1. Why did he align with USC out the blue, weren’t they trynna genocide Daroods?

2. What sub clan is he?

3. He is referred as the butcher of kismayo, which people was he and USC killing?

Alot happened during that war here is some information to start
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/spms-first-fight-for-mogadishu.129968/

Omar Jess didn't understand realpolitik and Absame in Somalia suffered because of it.

Jees was important for the first phase of the war. He wasnt privy to the clan meta politics. Gabayow is interesting probably the only Daroodist through and through I can think of other then maybe Gaandhi who forced Gedo into JL.

 

[Garaad diinle]

Historically it was Oromo (Warra Dayya and Boran) to the south and Samaale to the north, after a smallpox epidemic that killed off 90% of the oromos the Daroods who were living under Orma servitude rebelled against their former masters and took their land in the south west. The east and north was still samaale/reewin and eventually Darood moved in on their land some came on boats too and this is Jubaland today

Who feed you these fairy tails? Orma themselves states that they only arrived in the 16th century 500 years ago and somalis use to live there back then. In fact contrary to popular believes before the arrival of the daroods there were many other somali clients living under the orma. Somalis such as garre, ajuraan and tunni etc. According to orma themselves the original inhabitants of the jubas were madanle who were somalis themselves. Today in borale you'll find warra humo which is an oromo name but these who belong to warra humo are somalis client to oromo.

Heck forget the jubas the borana region had many somalis living in them.

Here is an image of islolo county where you'll find somalis roughly 100 years ago.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Alot happened during that war here is some information to start
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/spms-first-fight-for-mogadishu.129968/

Jees was important for the first phase of the war. He wasnt privy to the clan meta politics. Gabayow is interesting probably the only Daroodist through and through I can think of other then maybe Gaandhi who forced Gedo into JL.

I would chose Jess over Gabyow and Gandi any day.

Jess ensured that Absame were not ethnic cleansed from Jubbaland by afweyne regime.

Gabyow saw his folks being ethnic cleabsed from Gedo yet sang Aabo siyaad.

Gandi wanted to sell Jubbaland to every somali he was one of the most dangerous absame politicians of the century.

With gandi even isaaq from SL would have got an mp representatation.

I think Gandi had beef with MZ since the 1800s masscre of Abudwaaq.
The only respectable Cawliyahan was Basir bililiqo father of SPM resistance.

 

[Removed]

Absolutely. There was no directive to kill Daroods. In fact if you look at Aidiid’s speeches at the time he makes it clear not to. Unfortunately in a war where you are being attacked from behind the front lines and soldiers are barely paid or aren’t even, with little access to food or logistics to resupply they’re going to lose control.

the plan for the transitional government was immediately ruined when Ali Mahdi declared president after receiving support of the anti-Aidiid USC. SNM which has declared independence removed their observers engaged in the discussions to bring together SNM and SPM+USC.

At the time some were scared aidiid would become too powerful and wanted to move on from a general being president. Others were like many Abgaal generals were against a non-Xamar HG taking it over. Regardless had this not happened aidiiid+jees transitional would’ve likely been successful and avoided a new SNF (mostly marexan/barre loyalists) offensive from the South led by Morgan (son in law of Barre)

SPM+USC+SNM government was probably the most short sighted idea of any moment in Somali politics history.

Ogaden without our Ogadenia section, Habar Gidir, and Isaaq looking at MJs Raxanweyn and Abgaal as a bridge you cross when you get there tells you how capable these people were of governing post Siad.

I would chose Jess over Gabyow and Gandi any day.

Jess ensured that Absame were not ethnic cleansed from Jubbaland by afweyne regime.

Gabyow saw his folks being ethnic cleabsed from Gedo yet sang Aabo siyaad.

Gandi wanted to sell Jubbaland to every somali he was one of the most dangerous absame politicians of the century.

With gandi even isaaq from SL would have got an mp representatation.

I think Gandi had beef with MZ since the 1800s masscre of Abudwaaq.
The only respectable Cawliyahan was Basir bililiqo father of SPM resistance.

Jees was a visionary for the fact that he knew only Darood can be a long term threat in Jubbaland.

His mistake was not seeing the Marexaan problem in Gedo. Ogaden politicians who were Anti-Marexaan early on were seen as Majerteen sympathizers. Majerteen are literally afar qof spending time on them in JL is like spending time on fighting Weyteen in Ogadenia

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

SPM+USC+SNM government was probably the most short sighted idea of any moment in Somali politics history.

Ogaden without our Ogadenia section, Habar Gidir, and Isaaq looking at MJs Raxanweyn and Abgaal as a bridge you cross when you get there tells you how capable these people were of governing post Siad.

Jees was a visionary for the fact that he knew only Darood can be a long term threat in Jubbaland.

His mistake was not seeing the Marexaan problem in Gedo. Ogaden politicians who were Anti-Marexaan early on were seen as Majerteen sympathizers. Majerteen are literally afar qof spending time on them in JL is like spending time on fighting Weyteen in Ogadenia

How can he see mx problem in Gedo when Gabyow was doing is fighting MZ in Lower Jubba?

Cawliyahan are today being violated by Elay in Bakool yet had to wait for Liyi Polis of which they are almost zero composition.

Even though I rate Macalim mohamed AUN for liberating Kismaayo but sad thing is Cawliyahan need to chip in they complain alot about madoobe not liberating Middle Jubba yet make almost zero % of JL forces in the region.

Ya dhulkooda uu dhiman hadey rabin iyaga iney uu dhintaan?

Calqiyahan are fighters but if they dont want to fight for their land then I dont think madoobe should liverate anything for them.

I have seen alot that were pro Farmajo.

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

Ajuraan have but it is in Wajir as for the rest they were shegaads living under ogaden and Harti immunity.
Some even looking after their cattle like galjecel were brought to be herdsmen for ogafen and harti.


Sheikhal they were macalim dugsi teaching ogaden kids.
Awrmala were established in the 1960s by Harti to garner more votes in Lower Shabelle making MJ the Kingpin of Kismaayo politics in the 1960s.

Ajuran were wiped out and destroyed and their last centre of power was around qalafe and not Jubbaland.
Those that came to Jl were probably escaping the war.
Ajuran ruled over Xamar and middles shabelle all the way to qalafe.

Ajuran,degodia,sheikhal,Galjecel are not hawiye.

Hawiye clan formation is similar to the arab clan formation,

After the collapse of Ajuran Empire, those who had a common lineage(hawiye)have continued following the same system.

Ajuran Controlled all the Way to KISMAYO

Some of the groups you mentioned are non-hawiye but a samaale group aka the pre-hawiyes but joined hawiye politically. Which is why some of them Have hawiye seats.

Some Sheikhals, particularly the Aw Axmed Loobage subclan, claim they are part of Hiraab which in turn is part of the larger Hawiye group, while others, such as the Aw-Qutub subclan, dispute this.

 

[TheProfessor]

Sheekhaal, Gaalje’el, Awramaleh, Ajuuraan, and Degodiye, have roots in the Jubbas, It is not Bogus History, no matter how Hard you try, you cant Erase the History of the Jubbas, and remember Ajuuraan where there before ANY DAAROOD.

And the darood took there land so it is our land right now