When death comes, you will not get a warning through whatsapp that it's coming

[Reign]

You were born into Islam, your parents were born into Islam and the system goes on for quite a while. I did a huge amount of research to get where I got and so I find it highly audacious for someone who swallowed Islam from his parents to question my sincerity. Leaving Islam means that I have to live in the closet, why would I want that?

Present the evidence for Islam. I can bet it is nothing I haven't come across.

Stop assuming things. I didn't just swallow Islam. I too had a point where I felt like I was just following what my parents followed and did my own research and it led me to believe that Islam is the haqq indeed.

There are so many proofs such as how did an illiterate man know astronomy? How did a book which is apparently by a non-existing God have so many scientifical facts in an era where science was not prevalent?

 

[madamelioness]

Jazakallah Khayr. Good reminder.

 

[supz]

Stop assuming things. I didn't just swallow Islam. I too had a point where I felt like I was just following what my parents followed and did my own research and it led me to believe that Islam is the haqq indeed.

There are so many proofs such as how did an illiterate man know astronomy? How did a book which is apparently by a non-existing God have so many scientifical facts in an era where science was not prevalent?

Lol have you looked into ancient Greek literature. Please do.

 

[Reign]

Lol have you looked into ancient Greek literature. Please do.

I haven't, what exactly would I be looking for when I look into it? Also, you can't compare ancient Greece to 14000 years ago Arabia.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Stop assuming things. I didn't just swallow Islam. I too had a point where I felt like I was just following what my parents followed and did my own research and it led me to believe that Islam is the haqq indeed.

There are so many proofs such as how did an illiterate man know astronomy? How did a book which is apparently by a non-existing God have so many scientifical facts in an era where science was not prevalent?

See, I knew you were not going to surprise me. The "scientific miracles" have been debunked even by Hamza Tzortizis who was a major advocate for it for much of his dawah years. The Prophet was a merchant who got into contact with many different traders and civilisations. Much of the things in the Quran were already known. Why would Allah present us with knowledge already known to those who came before his prophet? Being illiterate does not mean that he is stupid, clearly he wasn't since he was a merchant. The Arabs themselves passed things around to each other though oral traditions.

I will answer any "miracle" you present.

 

[The_Cosmos]

I haven't, what exactly would I be looking for when I look into it? Also, you can't compare ancient Greece to 14000 years ago Arabia.

Ancient Greece is much older and the supposed sciences in the Quran was already known to them. At least the majority of it. The rest are either wrong or confirmation bias.

 

[ChickenOriental]

Trust me its not about pleasures. Plenty of Muslims are gluttons, but still believe.

The difference between them and the kuffar is that Muslims who go astray feel guilt. They know they are disobeying Allah and on some level, it makes them feel bad. That is their fitrah (natural disposition towards worshipping Allah) crying out. Ex-Muslims are trying to eliminate this guilt by convincing themselves that there is no life after death.

Have you ever questioned what you believe in without biases?

Yes, in my teens. And I knew so little about Islam - literally I was just told to memorise Quran and had no clue what the point of all of it was - that there was barely any 'bias' to begin with. I dug into Islam with a fresh pair of quite liberal, Western eyes, and I was amazed with what I found and have been amazed ever since.

 

[ChickenOriental]

Everybody stop giving these ExMOS attention. Even when they start their #Cutting4RichardDawkins trend - turn away. They're just going through something, inshaAllah it will work itself out.

 

[Reign]

See, I knew you were not going to surprise me. The "scientific miracles" have been debunked even by Hamza Tzortizis who was a major advocate for it for much of his dawah years. The Prophet was a merchant who got into contact with many different traders and civilisations. Much of the things in the Quran were already known. Why would Allah present us with knowledge already known to those who came before his prophet? Being illiterate does not mean that he is stupid, clearly he wasn't since he was a merchant. The Arabs themselves passed things around to each other though oral traditions.

I will answer any "miracle" you present.

Exactly which knowledge was known and whom was it discovered by? Enlighten me.

Ancient Greece was far superior to Arabia of the14000s in terms of knowledge, but even they didn't know some of the scientifical evidence in the Qur'an. The Qur'an also mentioned the big bang theory and how it happened.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Exactly which knowledge was known and whom was it discovered by? Enlighten me.

Ancient Greece was far superior to Arabia of the14000s in terms of knowledge, but even they didn't know some of the scientifical evidence in the Qur'an. The Qur'an also mentioned the big bang theory and how it happened.

For example, the Quran talks about the creation of a foetus in the womb. This was already known to the ancient Greeks and strikingly, it also makes the exact same mistakes as they did. The Quran makes the claim that the bones were created then it was wrapped in flesh when in reality the process occurred simultaneously the Quran says "THUMMA" which to anyone who speaks Arabic knows that translates as then. This is only one example.

The Quran does not mention the Big Bang theory. Nowhere in Islamic history has anything remotely depicting the Big Bang ever been commentated by major Islamic commentators. The Quran talks about how the heaven AND the Earth were once conjoined in a single point. The Earth is apart of the heavens which I assume implies the universe. Also, I'll regurgitate my previous point about how these supposed claims of the Big Bang being in the Quran has only been made AFTER the scientists have figured it out. Science does the digging and then Muslims claim Quranic foreknowledge.

 

[Layth]

Death is the end! Nothing is beyond it.

Life is a lot shorter than you think. If you’re 21 years old like me, double that is 42. Don’t worry, your time will come and then we will see if there’s indeed an afterlife.

 

[Layth]

Lol have you looked into ancient Greek literature. Please do.

Ancient Greece is much older and the supposed sciences in the Quran was already known to them. At least the majority of it. The rest are either wrong or confirmation bias.

Ah yes... I love it when people bring up ancient Greek philosophers. LOL! They’ve made A LOT of scientific errors that were either amended or rejected by Muslims during the Islamic golden age and later on European scientists post-Renaissance; for example, I think it was Aristotle that believed heavier objects fall faster due to the weight which was proven wrong by Galileo. And also, some of the scientific details in the Qur’an that may somewhat appear to correspond with ancient Greek literature often have differences, the former is usually a lot more detailed.

You need to consider this: the ancient Greeks merely presented similar scientific concepts as hypotheses but the Qur’an mentions these scientific concepts as clear-cut facts. The Qur’an doesn’t have hundreds of theories that were proven wrong either (like the ancient Greeks did). On top of this, the Qur’an is not a scientific textbook but a scripture that just happens to include scientific facts.

NO scientific fact that's made mention of in the Qur'an has been proven wrong, NONE!

 

[The_Cosmos]

Life is a lot shorter than you think. If you’re 21 years old like me, double that is 42. Don’t worry, your time will come and then we will see if there’s indeed an afterlife.

I will not allow fear to cloud reason and logic. There is no evidence of an afterlife and so I will assume there is none and till I am proven wrong.

 

[Layth]

I will not allow fear to cloud reason and logic. There is no evidence of an afterlife and so I will assume there is none and till I am proven wrong.

You can't even explain what happens scientifically when we sleep. Know your place man... You're merely one of the billions of creatures that were situated on this planet to be tested.

 

[The_Cosmos]

Ah yes... I love it when people bring up ancient Greek philosophers. LOL! They’ve made A LOT of scientific errors that were either amended or rejected by Muslims during the Islamic golden age and later on European scientists post-Renaissance; for example, I think it was Aristotle that believed heavier objects fall faster due to the weight which was proven wrong by Galileo. And also, some of the scientific details in the Qur’an that may somewhat appear to correspond with ancient Greek literature often have differences, the former is usually a lot more detailed.

You need to consider this: the ancient Greeks merely presented similar scientific concepts as hypotheses but the Qur’an mentions these scientific concepts as clear-cut facts. The Qur’an doesn’t have hundreds of theories that were proven wrong either (like the ancient Greeks did). On top of this, the Qur’an is not a scientific textbook but a scripture that just happens to include scientific facts.

NO scientific fact that's made mention of in the Qur'an has been proven wrong, NONE!

Yes it does! The Quran talks about how shooting stars are missiles that were fired at Jinns who were trying to peak at the affairs of heaven! How on Earth is that scientific!

 

[The_Cosmos]

You can't even explain what happens scientifically when we sleep. Know your place man... You're merely one of the billions of creatures that were situated on this planet to be tested.

And you can?!Science works from the basis of "I don't know" whilst your religion makes a bunch of unverified claims. Have the shit in your faith comes from other religions. Jinns, Kaaba rituals and many more. Stop pretending you have the truth when your book is nothing more then plagiarised nonsense.

 

[Layth]

Yes it does! The Quran talks about how shooting stars are missiles that were fired at Jinns who were trying to peak at the affairs of heaven! How on Earth is that scientific!

But Jinns are part of the “unseen” which means they’re not confined to the laws of the physical realm as we know it.

And you can?!Science works from the basis of "I don't know" whilst your religion makes a bunch of unverified claims. Have the shit in your faith comes from other religions. Jinns, Kaaba rituals and many more. Stop pretending you have the truth when your book is nothing more then plagiarised nonsense.

Most of these religions usually have monotheistic origins, most of their scriptures were revealed to actual Prophets. The Ka'ba rituals that the pagan Arabs engaged in was merely a remnant of the many practices that can be traced to the religion of Abraham (AS). As we know, Arabs were Hanifs before they left the fold for paganism.

Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."

Over 100,000 messengers were sent to man.

 

[The_Cosmos]

But Jinns are part of the “unseen” which means they’re not confined to the laws of the physical realm as we know it.

Most of these religions usually have monotheistic origins, most of their scriptures were revealed to actual Prophets. The Ka'ba rituals that the pagan Arabs engaged in was merely a remnant of the many practices that can be traced to the religion of Abraham (AS). As we know, Arabs were Hanifs before they left the fold for paganism.

Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."

Over 100,000 messengers were sent to man.

Are shooting stars missiles that shoot down jinns trying to peak into the affairs of heaven? This very claim in the Quran shows it is nothing more than a man made book. Only a seventh century Arab would make such audacious claims and be audaciously wrong!

Do you have any evidence to suggest these religions have monotheistic origins? Unless you have actual evidence (quran is NOT evidence) your religious views will not be taken into consideration.

Again, do you have evidence of all the 100,000 prophets? How come all the important ones are from the middle east? It shows that this is nothing more that a mere stunt to dispel the accusation of plagiarism.

 

[Layth]

Are shooting stars missiles that shoot down jinns trying to peak into the affairs of heaven? This very claim in the Quran shows it is nothing more than a man made book. Only a seventh century Arab would make such audacious claims and be audaciously wrong!

Do you have any evidence to suggest these religions have monotheistic origins? Unless you have actual evidence (quran is NOT evidence) your religious views will not be taken into consideration.

Again, do you have evidence of all the 100,000 prophets? How come all the important ones are from the middle east? It shows that this is nothing more that a mere stunt to dispel the accusation of plagiarism.

A lot of Muslim scholars have suggested the very high likelihood of Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and other religions having monotheistic origins. Zoroaster himself is considered a Prophet by many Muslims... Although we don’t speak of such matters with confidence, we can only confirm the religions that the Qur’an confirms to be of monotheistic origins. We say Allah (SWT) knows best.

I want to ask you a question though: what do you think of the Prophesies made by the Prophet (SAW)? Wallahi this in of itself is enough reason to believe.

The Prophet (SAW) made prophesies that will occur shortly after his death. He made prophesies that will occur in the period of the tabi'een, tabi tabi'een, Islamic golden age, Middle Ages, up until modern day. The Abbasid, Ummayid and Ottomon dynasties were all prophesied.

“There will be Prophethood for as long as Allah wills it to be, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be Khilafah on the Prophetic method and it will be for as long as Allah wills, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be biting Kingship for as long as Allah Wills, then He will remove it when He wills, then there will be oppressive kingship for as long as Allah wills, then he will remove it when He wills, and then there will be Khilafah upon the Prophetic method” and then he remained silent." (Ahmed)

After the khulafaa ar rashideen there came hereditary-like kingship (The Umayyid, Abbasid, Fatimid, Ottomon, etc dynasties).

How did the Prophet (SAW) prophesise that the reign of the khulafaa' ar raashideen will last 30 years?

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, The Caliphate will remain after me for thirty years, then it will change into a cruel monarchy. Thus, Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) said after thirty years had passed, "I am the first of the kings."
(Extracted from the treatise written by Abu Zayd Al-Qayrawany, vol. 1, p. 96).

A: This Hadith was related by Imam Ahmad in "Al-Musnad", Al-Hakim in "Al-Mustadrak", Abu Ya'ly in "Al-Musnad", ibn Hibban in his Sahih (authentic) Book of Hadith, and Al-Tirmidhy in his "Sunan".

PS. Mu'awiyah was the first of the Umayyid dynasty.

Abu Bakr (RA)'s reign was a little over 2 years.
Umar (RA)'s reign was 10 years.
Uthmaan (RA)'s reign was 12 years.
Ali (RA)'s reign was 5 years.
Hasan (RA)'s reign was for a few months (which then made a total of 30 years) before he compromised for the greater good. He gave his khilaafat up because Mu'awiyah (RA) and his army wanted to attack Hasan (RA) and his army since he (Mu'awiyah) wanted the leadership for himself. Hasan (RA) gave us his khilaafat to establish peace between the Muslims (that were on either side).

The Prophet (SAW) prophesied all this.

“Verily, this son of mine is a chief, so perhaps Allah will make peace between two large groups of Muslims through him” (An-Nasa’i ; Sahih Bukhari).

It was only when Mu'awiyah (RA) came into power that the kingship-like rule that was hereditary started.


One of the prophecies are that Dajjal's donkey will be extremely white and there will be 40 cubits between it's ears. Some of the contemporary scholars have interpreted this to mean the donkey is a metaphor that’s infact referring to an airplane.

In the hadeeth of al-Nawwaas ibn Sam’aan about the Dajjaal, it is reported that the Sahaabah said: “O Messenger of Allaah, how long will he stay on the earth?” He said, “Forty days: one day like a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days like your days.” … They said, “How fast will he travel through the earth?” He said, "Like the clouds when they are driven by the wind...” (narrated by Muslim, 5228)

You must understand that the Prophet (SAW) used terms and words so that his companions (RA) would understand what he (SAW) is talking about. "Bows and arrows" could in fact be a figure of speech alluding to modern weapons or the weapons that will be in use when Gog and Magog are released. Just like the way the "white donkey" (with 40 cubits between it's ears and "travels like the clouds when they are driven by the wind") is being used to refer to an airplane.

Among the signs of the Hour mentioned in the hadith Sahih al-Bukhari is: “When the destitute (al-buhm) camelherds compete in building tall structures.” So Arabs competing in building tall buildings is the sign of the hour. This is a recent phenomenon and a bit of research would confirm that Arabia was almost completely deserts a few decades ago.

"When you see Mecca, its mountain with holes (pierced through them), and its buildings reach its mountain tops, then as-Sa’ah (the Hour) has already cast its shadow." The buildings have recently surpassed the mountain tops in Mekkah!

Among them is that women will have hair like the hump of a camel. (This hadith has baffled the Ulema for quite a long time till they saw current hijab styles. I believe it came into fashion about 10 years ago).

I could show you much more.

 

[Ali Sanchez]

May Allah grant us a righteous death and only take our souls when He is most pleased with us, Ameen.


For those of you going through a period of low imaan, repent! Allah knows when death will come and your chance to atone for your sins will come to an end. Fear a day where the disbeliever will bite his hands with regret, my brothers and sisters, crying "would that I were dust!". May Allah guide us, Ameen.

Why are mooslems so obsessed with death? If you guys wanna die just drink sugoo daily sheessh