Which is more ludicrous

[Dhabaal]

Lol isnt homogeneity a good thing. The last thing youd want is ensuring equal sharing between different people groups. And im afraid i dont see the correlation between size and compatibility of federalism , Micronesia is federal. I understand the poverty argument but that can be easily reversed. Its only a matter of tapping into our plenty resources. Uranium and agriculture in the south, fisheries, crude oil and commerce in the North. Will provide more than enough capital to run administrations

Homogeneity is not a bad thing. But just unfit for federation, since federation would be useful if communities did not share certain values with the majority. Micronesia are a confederation of different Islands and is a protectorate of the United States.

'' Somalia is not a multi-national or multi-religious state. It is a largely homogeneous society. Other than issues that relate to the two main dialects, there are no linguistic or religious cleavages that necessitate federation. Federation would be useful if some communities did not share certain values with the majority, but in Somalia there are no religious or linguistic values that separate communities. The entire
population is Muslim and Sunni, and almost all speak the Somali language and its different dialects, as evidenced by the national media outlets, which broadcast in both main dialects of May and Mahatiri.''

Ahh the all corrupting influence of clan, now combined with federalism. No. I am talking about a system where power and resources is divided strictly between the states and a federal level. Ofcourse adding clannism into the fray will bring incohesiveness and calcaal. Dont hear it from me hear it from the peoples mouth

"The most recent study carried out by HIPS, The Heritage Institute for Policy Studies in Somalia has provided the government with an excessive amount of data from the Somali public, which would be best to consider for the future of the nation. A survey was carried out in the 5 major cities of Mogadishu, Baioda, Kismayo, Garowe and Galkacyo. A majority those who participated in the survey agreed on the fact that federalism was the most suitable form of governance but criticised the current formation of administrations as deeply flawed due to the fact that it is seen as an externally facilitated scheme that promotes clan identity at the expense of citizenship"
http://www.heritageinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/HIPS-Briefing-Federal-Somalia-ENG-3.pdt

Not valid at all , the same survey you posted pointed this out

Despite significant support for a federal form of governance, the Somali people’s understanding on the
intricate and the nuanced nature of federalism remains extremely low. This highlights the need for a robust civic
education campaign.

Fourth, a robust civic education campaign is needed. Federalism is deeply misunderstood. Even those who vigorously support it have their own interpretations,including the widely held view that it means total autonomy for their clans.

The people who they surveyed don't even know what federalism is or how it works. Completely misunderstood it. It was a report made intended to highlight the ignorance of the Somali population.

A substantial majority still views the current federation process as deeply flawed, because it is a largely elite driven and externally facilitated scheme that promotes clan identity at the expense of citizenship.

Well the issue is not politicization of clan, but the fact that opportunists are using Federalism as a system to deepen the mistrust in the Somali community and create false borders. Its literally balkanization pushed by outside interests such as Ethiopia and Kenya.

 

[Dhabaal]

Do you have any better/concrete system to propose? If so id love to hear it

Yes as a matter of fact. a decentralized unitary system seems more appropriate and we can use it as middle ground.

Decentralized Unitary System: A Possible Middle-Ground Model for Somalia
http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/38075bbb-7b5f-4d4a-9cfb-1f64b9b9964b

 

[Apollo]

Ethiopian monarchy claiming decent from the mythical figures Solomon and Sheba

Or

Somalis believing they are an offshoot of Qureshi tribes from Arabia.

It seems both have an affinity for grandiose origin stories

Tigrays and Amharas have a lot of Middle Eastern ancestry.

40% of their paternal lineages come from Arabia alone. They have way more connections to Arabs than Somalis do despite being Christian.

 

[McLovin]

Homogeneity is not a bad thing. But just unfit for federation, since federation would be useful if communities did not share certain values with the majority

If that is the case then why do somalis have a bad time getting along with eachother. True we are identically the same but we still have our own regions, provinces,demographics which warrants federalism.

The people who they surveyed don't even know what federalism is or how it works. Completely misunderstood it. It was a report made

The misunderstanding is not necessarily shared by the majority of the subjects and pay attention to what the misuderstanding is about. They are conflating it with clan autonomy which leads to clan federalism and weve already established about how unworkable and destructive it is. Federalism is still the most viable solution we have imo

Well the issue is not politicization of clan,

Oh it never is. Foreigners have been using it as a tool of divisiveness against us for centuries but its never the issue.

 

[McLovin]

Yes as a matter of fact. a decentralized unitary system seems more appropriate and we can use it as middle ground.

Decentralized Unitary System: A Possible Middle-Ground Model for Somalia
http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/38075bbb-7b5f-4d4a-9cfb-1f64b9b9964b

Interesting. It seems to suffer from the same barriers federalism has in somalia today

"Aspiring regional leaders have also proven an obstacle to the institutionalization of a decentralized model. They generally lack a genuine commitment to decentralization, and their actions reveal their interest in creating independent clan fiefdoms to realize personal political power. While regional capitals continuously demand a federal system, they work actively to control local resources and power; many have their own military, independent foreign policy, control of natural resources and citizenship laws, making each region basically an independent polity. This approach is unsustainable and will lead to further dismemberment of the nation. Through zero-sum competition and emotional appeals, Somalia’s sectarian elites destroyed the Somali state. The same approaches will not be able to reinstitute the Somali state"

As a system I aint mad at it tho, In what ways is it more effective than federalism?
And where does shariah come into play

 

[Dhabaal]

If that is the case then why do somalis have a bad time getting along with eachother. True we are identically the same but we still have our own regions, provinces,demographics which warrants federalism.

Somalis show considerable amount of cultural and social unity and that can be attributed to being the same Ethnic race.

The division is limited to solely homeland governmental politics. The division in govermental politics are relagated to things outside of what is of the matter of culture and ethnic alliegence .But rather what is material, (resources , land, power etc) which is what caused people to create federal states in their attempt to readdress these inequities.

Put an appropriate system in place and create a path for reconciliation with the use of local customs at the civic level. Wallaa there you have your solution to our problems.

The misunderstanding is not necessarily shared by the majority of the subjects and pay attention to what the misuderstanding is about. They are conflating it with clan autonomy which leads to clan federalism and weve already established about how unworkable and destructive it is. Federalism is still the most viable solution we have imo

Study is pretty explicit in showing that majority of those who they interviewed and they also highlighted how this system is used. Clan autonomy was the main perception which they were against as it was an elitist driven scheme and externally promotes clan identity at the expense of citizenship .

Here is the ending conclusion from the study you posted.
'

One of the most surprising outcomes of this study is the desire for social reconciliation across Somalia. From Kismayo on the far southern tip of the country to Garowe in the northeast, participants highlighted the need for direct, community-to-community reconciliation. It was abundantly clear that what people wanted was not political accommodation but genuine national recognition that heals the scars of the civil war.

Which proves to show how Somali general local populous really couldn't care about politics. They don't want political accommodation, they want a genuine reconciliation between communities.

Oh it never is. Foreigners have been using it as a tool of divisiveness against us for centuries but its never the issue.

Any system, whether we call it religion, politics, ideological, can be hijacked for any objective the power-broker desires—good or bad.

We must deal with the root, the general ignorance that allows people to be manipulated in these ways. Because most will agree that those who control power use Qolo(Clan) in a scapegoat capacity.