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ShamsiThe History and Origins of the Asharis and Maturidis | Shamsi and Abu Kenz...
ShamsiThe History and Origins of the Asharis and Maturidis | Shamsi and Abu Kenz...
Imam Abu Haneefah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Allah has a Hand, a Countenance and an Essence as He, may He be exalted, mentioned in the Qur’an. Whatever Allah, may He be exalted, has mentioned in the Qur’an of His having a Countenance, Hand and Essence, these are attributes of His which we affirm without discussing how. It cannot be said that His Hand is His power or blessings, because that is denying the attribute, and is the view of the Qadaris and Mu‘tazilah. Rather His hand is a divine attribute, and we do not discuss how it is; His wrath and His pleasure are divine attributes, and we do not discuss how they are.Shamsi
As for the issue of the statement in Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar abour he hand, face, and self and them being attributes, we must consider two things in particular:Imam Abu Haneefah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Allah has a Hand, a Countenance and an Essence as He, may He be exalted, mentioned in the Qur’an. Whatever Allah, may He be exalted, has mentioned in the Qur’an of His having a Countenance, Hand and Essence, these are attributes of His which we affirm without discussing how. It cannot be said that His Hand is His power or blessings, because that is denying the attribute, and is the view of the Qadaris and Mu‘tazilah. Rather His hand is a divine attribute, and we do not discuss how it is; His wrath and His pleasure are divine attributes, and we do not discuss how they are.
Even abu hanfia may allah have mercy on him wants nothing to do with your deviant beliefs. He affirmed for what allah has told us and he didn’t look at it metaphorically as the asharis and maturidis claim
But... this same book says:Imam Abu Haneefah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Allah has a Hand, a Countenance and an Essence as He, may He be exalted, mentioned in the Qur’an. Whatever Allah, may He be exalted, has mentioned in the Qur’an of His having a Countenance, Hand and Essence, these are attributes of His which we affirm without discussing how. It cannot be said that His Hand is His power or blessings, because that is denying the attribute, and is the view of the Qadaris and Mu‘tazilah. Rather His hand is a divine attribute, and we do not discuss how it is; His wrath and His pleasure are divine attributes, and we do not discuss how they are.
Even abu hanfia may allah have mercy on him wants nothing to do with your deviant beliefs. He affirmed for what allah has told us and he didn’t look at it metaphorically as the asharis and maturidis claim
“And He speaks, not as our speech. We speak with tools and letters while Allah, High is He, speaks without a tool and without letters. The letters are created. And the speech of Allah, High is He, is uncreated.”`
“The Qur’an is Allah’s word, High is He, in pages transcribed, in hearts protected, on tongues recited, and on the Prophet (PBUH) and His family revealed. Our utterance of the Qur’an is created. Our writing of it is created. Our recitation of it is created. And the Qur’an is uncreated.”
i agree the quran is uncreated. It’s the maturidis and some Ashari that make claims it createdBut... this same book says:
And this:
You can't have it both ways mate.
You are acting as if Ash’ari/Maturidis in the past didn’t promote their creed via poltics and what not. After all those in positions of power within states like the Ottoman Empire, Mughal Empire and Mamluk Sultanate ascribed to those schools thus attempting to force it upon the local population.Ash’ari & Maturidi’s have always been the majority of Ahlul Sunnah. Athari were an extremely tiny minority untill Salafists powered by Saudi Oil money started promoting their creed worldwide. This is the truth
Ashari and Maturidi believe what Abu Hanifa said.i agree the quran is uncreated. It’s the maturidis and some Ashari that make claims it created
Wahabi, all you have is memes.
We don't believe Allah can be hit by a bucket lowered by rope like you guys do.
Verily his (the Prophet’s) statement: “If one of you lowered a bucket by a rope, then it would fall on Aļļaah.” This is a hypothetical consideration, that is, if the lowering happened, then it would fall on Him. It is not possible for anyone to lower anything on Aļļaah, however, because His self is high, and if anything was lowered in the direction of the Earth, then it would stop at the center, and would not go up in the opposite direction (from there). However, if there was a hypothesized lowering, then what he said would happen. (6/571)
Likewise, interpreting this ĥadiitħ in term of knowledge (I.e falling by Aļļaah’s knowledge it clearly false, and of the Jahmiyy kind of interpretation. Rather, based on the assumption that the ĥadiitħ is authentic, then it explains (Aļļaah’s) surrounding, and it is known that Aļļaah is able to surround and that it is going to be on the Day of Judgment as stated in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah. There is nothing, in general, in affirming this ĥadiith, that is in conflict with reason or Islamic Law. (6/574)
i agree the quran is uncreated. It’s the maturidis and some Ashari that make claims it cr
i agree the quran is uncreated. It’s the maturidis and some Ashari that make claims it created
Disrespect of the Imam is not part of 'Ash'ari school whatsoever this is just khariji like ideology
The phrase used that i said i don’t support is “fundamentalism/lack of reasoning”
I said this because Ahmed ibn Hanbal rejects Qiyas entirely, like the Zahiris, and Bukhari. He burned all of his books towards the end of his life. This is because he wanted to prevent a madhab to be formed in his name and people should only follow “Quran and Sunnah”, which is why the only book he didn’t burn was Musnad Ahmed(a hadith collection).
There’s nothing disrespectful about what I said, qiyas is the principle of reasoning, and fundamentalism is maximum literalist adherence to the core rules of any set of beliefs. Ahmed ibn Hanbal considered daeef hadith by itself more important than Qiyas. (Hanbali madhab accept and uses Qiyas on the other hand, and heavily borrows from the Shafi’i madhab)
Al Bukhari, Zahiri madhab, Ahmed ibn Hanbal were all the strictest adherents of Ahl al Hadith(people of hadith).
This is what was said about Imam Abu Hanifa (according to ahl hadith)
Why don’t you comment on this?
Do you believe you worship the same God as Salafis? That God is a curly haired beardless man that walks, sits on the back of mosquitoes, that will share the space of a throne with the Prophet, with a body, that can relocate on a rope?
Ibn Taymiyyah:
We conclude that it was eyesight as it is in the Sahih narration from Qutada from Ikrama from Ibn Abbas said that the Prophet said: 'I saw my God in image of beardless (man), with long curly hair in a green garden'
Bayan Talbis Al-Jahmiyah Volume 7, Page 290
The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) says that people will be constantly thrown into Hell but it will go on asking if there are some more. Thus, Allah the Lord of Might “WILL PUT HIS FOOT IN IT” and in one narrative it has occoured that “HE WILL PUT HIS STEP IN IT” and Hell get contracted and say, ‘Enough, enough.’ (Al-Bukhari 6/353)
Ibn Taymiyyah:
The Hadith afffirms that Allah possesses “FEET AND STEPS” and this attribute is exactly like other attributes. This will be proved worthy of the Grandeur of Allah. The rationale behind putting “THE STEP INTO HELL” is that Allah has promised that He will fill up Hell. [Sharh al-Aqidat-il-Wastiyah, Page No. 136, Published by Dar us Salaam, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia]
Ibn Taymiyyah:
If He (God) wants, He can sit on a mosquito’s back.
Bayan Talbis al-Jahamia Volume 1 page 568:
Ibn Taymiyyah:
The reliable and acceptable scholars narrated that, God shall make Muhammad the messenger of Allah sit next to Him [swt] on the throne.
Majmo’a al-Fatawa, Volume 4 page 374:
Ibn Taymiyyah:
“There is nothing in the book, Sunnah, nor in the statements of the Salaf, or Imams of the nation that He (Allah) is not a body and His features are not a body.”
Bayan Talbis al-Jahamia, Volume 1 page 101:
Ibn Taymiyyah:
”Allah is able to relocate from here to there through rope”
Majmo’a al-Fatawa, Volume 2 page 76:
Why you lying on the shaykh?? the hadith is weak as he said and explanation of that hadith where he mentions the jahmiyya he's criticizing their way of interpretation in religious textsWe don't believe Allah can be hit by a bucket lowered by rope like you guys do.
Ibn Taymiyyah:
I love Ibn Taymiyyah for being so clear. That if you don't believe a bucket lowered by rope can hit Allah, then you are a Jahmiyy innovator i.e Ashari.
حديث الحسن البصري عن أبي هريرة وهو منقطع فإن الحسن لم يسمع من أبي هريرة