why do they do this?

[AppleBoat398]

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[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Pretty sure the majority of immigrants do in fact come from right wing countries/backgrounds. Just take a look at the most common countries of origin.

Just because they left doesn’t mean they disagree with the ideology that forced them to flee their country. Which is kind of hypocritical, because they still have that same mindset when they immigrate somewhere else.

It’s like certain immigrants are unable to put two and two together and come to the conclusion that they’re garbage extremist ideology is the reason their home country is a shithole.

It's pure hypocrisy for sure. The same men that calaacal about 'dangers of feminism' would love to repress women in their own homeland. But in the diaspora, they live off a woman, whether it's their mother, or that poor wife of theirs that they split bills with. They all want to be rightwing Cadaan men, they admire these men, which is why Andrew Tate et al, have so many non-Cadaan fanboys.

The best system is Allah's law, but Allah's best servants don't seem to desire power.

 

[Somali Saayid]

To achieve a political goal… Blindly voting for only one party is political immature. Muslims in America need to grow up politically and start learning how the game is played. Start partaking in the legalised bribery game, bribery is allowed when you are preserving your rights.

Apparently Linda McMahon got the secretary of education position for about 10 million dollars. Imagine muslims taking advantage of something like, that not necessarily of that scale, to get some political influence. Who cares if it’s right or left. Play both sides depending on who is good for you on that day

I realizer her husband is Mr mcmahon from WWE.

 

[AppleBoat398]

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..... Just because they did nothing back then does not mean nothing will occur in the future.

 

[Khaem]

These morons don't even appreciate the fact, that their hooyo (who probably raised them mostly), has access to money, jobs, and general freedoms thanks to the feminism they hate so much. If it wasn't for feminism they would be even more disenfranchised. Imagine hooyos coming here, and being sexually harassed, no access to banks and other important paper work, no right to vote, no right to an education etc, etc.

As for liberalism, it's the only reason why we have protections and rights. Or do they think right wing Cadaans are going to tolerate them.

It's always the dhaandhaan, low-achieving males, with mommy issues, who think they are Cadaan right wing men. I suggest a good look in the mirror and a basic education as treatment.

Liberalism isn't the reason women have all these things. Islamically these are all within a woman's right. In Sharia a woman is able to open a bank account with no issues. But you speak as if Somali women should be grateful to liberal ideology for having these rights. When our great grandmother's could do much more than theirs.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

I pray that I get a strong, independent daughter that will respectfully and politely challenge me when she's convinced I'm wrong. What a failure it would be to have a meek and weak daughter that agrees to whatever her father asks or expects like in many Somalian households. Long live western culture!

 

[Sup]

But Somalis and other immigrants DO believe in that ideology as long as it serves them, right.
As long as the checks clear, the welfare comes through, the social housing, the protections that shield women from sexual harassment, that give women a decent pay and all the other gifts that liberalism bestowed upon the immigrants?

Why can't people give thanks for all the benefits and then admit that they have to move to a Muslim country in the near future? Instead of being ungrateful and hostile to the only ideologies that have shielded them in the Western hemisphere.

Maybe immigrants in the diaspora, need to taste life under rightwing ideologies for a change, right wing + misogynist waliba. The Handmaiden's tale.

I can’t and won’t speak for others, know regarding your view point I agree with most if not all of them. To be frank, I’m not sure were this has come from, I’ve merely made a factual statement and you’ve seem to go on a tangent, whilst simultaneously reasserting western bias on your own people, brilliant !

There are tenets of liberalism and feminism that I %100 agree with, there are also tenets that I outright reject.

For example,
The advocation for transgenders & homosexuality, and pushing that ideology onto everyone, especially the most vulnerable.

Forcing young ones to undergo gender reassignment surgery, which is tantamount to child abuse. Whilst nothing is done to protect them by the government and alike, due to the fear of being labelled a “Transphobe”.


The father of liberalism John Locke, who might I add was a deeply religious man. His tenants have been wildly influential in the creation of modern liberalism as we know it. “Most” tenants except respect for others faith, the constant abuse and violence by the far left (and right of course) in respect to Islam, Christianity and other religious beliefs etc is extremely hypocritical from the ideology they claim to follow.

Know in regard to “modern feminism” which might I add is not the feminism of old, which I support to the fullest. A society that values and promotes equality between the sexes etc. This new wave of feminists have created a dogma of hate, and has created a massive divide between the sexes. A movement that advocates for women to not marry and to break up families, a movement that glorifies only fans and the sex industry, openly calling for the extermination of men and labelling men as the enemy. In all aspect this sounds a bit silly, but unfortunately this is a fact, feel free to watch some of their protest on YouTube, it’s absolutely delightful all that hate and animosity, I’m sure you’d feel right at home

I could list more but I’m sure you get my drift and this is what I was referring to in my previous comment. I await your “intuitive” response.

 

[Gacmeey]

I can’t and won’t speak for others, know regarding your view point I agree with most if not all of them. To be frank, I’m not sure were this has come from, I’ve merely made a factual statement and you’ve seem to go on a tangent, whilst simultaneously reasserting western bias on your own people, brilliant !

There are tenets of liberalism and feminism that I %100 agree with, there are also tenets that I outright reject.

For example,
The advocation for transgenders & homosexuality, and pushing that ideology onto everyone, especially the most vulnerable.

Forcing young ones to undergo gender reassignment surgery, which is tantamount to child abuse. Whilst nothing is done to protect them by the government and alike, due to the fear of being labelled a “Transphobe”.


The father of liberalism John Locke, who might I add was a deeply religious man. His tenants have been wildly influential in the creation of modern liberalism as we know it. “Most” tenants except respect for others faith, the constant abuse and violence by the far left (and right of course) in respect to Islam, Christianity and other religious beliefs etc is extremely hypocritical from the ideology they claim to follow.

Know in regard to “modern feminism” which might I add is not the feminism of old, which I support to the fullest. A society that values and promotes equality between the sexes etc. This new wave of feminists have created a dogma of hate, and has created a massive divide between the sexes. A movement that advocates for women to not marry and to break up families, a movement that glorifies only fans and the sex industry, openly calling for the extermination of men and labelling men as the enemy. In all aspect this sounds a bit silly, but unfortunately this is a fact, feel free to watch some of their protest on YouTube, it’s absolutely delightful all that hate and animosity, I’m sure you’d feel right at home

I could list more but I’m sure you get my drift and this is what I was referring to in my previous comment. I await your “intuitive” response.

Even the tenant of respecting others beliefs is one they do not follow not that they followed it when lock theorised liberalism. Just look at what the Maryland supreme court said when religious parents tried to opt out their kids from LGBTQ education.

Most people have blind faith about the self-mythology these ideologies have but what actually happens on the ground and the practicalities are extremely different.

 

[Sup]

Even the tenant of respecting others beliefs is one they do not follow not that they followed it when lock theorised liberalism. Just look at what the Maryland supreme court said when religious parents tried to opt out their kids from LGBTQ education.

Most people have blind faith about the self-mythology these ideologies have but what actually happens on the ground and the practicalities are extremely different.

It’s mental isn’t it,

In theory their new found ideology is basically, your either with us or against us, there is no in between, no room for criticism or reflection, no room for opposition. And if you fall out that fold, then your a “backwards, literate caveman”, it’s become a bloody cult !!

 

[SixthAbdi]

Living as a low income refugee in a country whose values you view as inferior is pathetic, and no amount of cope is going to change that.

 

[Gacmeey]

Living as a low income refugee in a country whose values you view as inferior is pathetic, and no amount of cope is going to change that.

Pathetic or not, is our critique of philosophical liberalism and its sub-branches wrong? Does the socio-economic status of the person making an argument change the merit of the argument?

 

[SixthAbdi]

Pathetic or not, is our critique of philosophical liberalism and its sub-branches wrong? Does the socio-economic status of the person making an argument change the merit of the argument?

No, but it's hypocritical in both a secular and Islamic sense. It's haram to live in a kuffar country without the intention of migrating.

Zakariya al-Ansaari al-Shaafa’i said in his book Asna al-Mataalib (4/207):

It is obligatory to migrate from the kaafir lands to the Muslim lands for those who are able to do that, if they are unable to practise their religion openly.

Can Muslims settle in kaafir countries for the sake of a better life? - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

 

[Gacmeey]

No, but it's hypocritical in both a secular and Islamic sense. It's haram to live in a kuffar country without the intention of migrating.

Zakariya al-Ansaari al-Shaafa’i said in his book Asna al-Mataalib (4/207):

It is obligatory to migrate from the kaafir lands to the Muslim lands for those who are able to do that, if they are unable to practise their religion openly.

Can Muslims settle in kaafir countries for the sake of a better life? - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Islam is characterised by its legal pluralism so you can not take one ruling and impose it on everyone. There is ikhtilaaf on the issue especially given the changed political environment. I don’t see how it is hypocritical from an Islamic sense if you follow a different opinion.

As for it being hypocritical from a secular sense, you say it as if it is self-evident. You are going to have to argue for it. Are the post-modernists who critique modernity also hypocrites or does that only apply to Muslims? What is hypocritical about critiquing a society that you live in?

Is it Haraam to live in OR MOVE to, a non-Islamic country? Are there any -

(Pls provide Hadith references to support your answer.) Answer Kindly refer below a reply to similar query by Mufti Taqi Usmani.and Allah Ta'ala Knows BestMufti Ebrahim DesaiFATWA DEPT.Q: What is

islamqa.org

 

[SixthAbdi]

Islam is characterised by its legal pluralism so you can not take one ruling and impose it on everyone. There is ikhtilaaf on the issue especially given the changed political environment. I don’t see how it is hypocritical from an Islamic sense if you follow a different opinion.

This is from Imam Shafi'i which is the madhab that most Somalis follow so not sure what you're getting at, but I would like to see a different ruling that states it's ok to live in a kuffar country simply for a better quality of life.

As for it being hypocritical from a secular sense, you say it as if it is self-evident. You are going to have to argue for it. Are the post-modernists who critique modernity also hypocrites or does that only apply to Muslims? What is hypocritical about critiquing a society that you live in?

Is it Haraam to live in OR MOVE to, a non-Islamic country? Are there any -

(Pls provide Hadith references to support your answer.) Answer Kindly refer below a reply to similar query by Mufti Taqi Usmani.and Allah Ta'ala Knows BestMufti Ebrahim DesaiFATWA DEPT.Q: What is

islamqa.org

It's hypocritical to critique an aspect of society you don't like when a viable alternative exists, that you deliberately avoid in fear of lowering your quality of life (not necessarily referring to you personally but the vast majority of Muslim immigrants with the financial capabilities to leave). How is this not self-evident?
Post-modernists are secularized people that have completely assimilated to the west and view themselves as a part of it, Somalis and similar Muslim groups do not consider themselves to be a part of this system and have yet to assimilate besides speaking a common language. It's a question of national sovereignty.

 

[Gacmeey]

This is from Imam Shafi'i which is the madhab that most Somalis follow so not sure what you're getting at, but I would like to see a different ruling that states it's ok to live in a kuffar country simply for a better quality of life.

Read the link I posted. It’s also wrong to transport classical rulings to modern times given that political structures have changed. It’s not as self evident as it used to be to determine what category things fall into.

It's hypocritical to critique an aspect of society you don't like when a viable alternative exists, that you deliberately avoid in fear of lowering your quality of life (not necessarily referring to you personally but the vast majority of Muslim immigrants with the financial capabilities to leave). How is this not self-evident?

There is no viable alternative. No country has shariah as a system of law. They are all nation states that use European systems of law with an Islamic venner. It’s akin to living in a European house whilst moving in some of your Islamic furniture. Read hallaq’s impossible state, he breaks this down extremely well.

Post-modernists are secularized people that have completely assimilated to the west and view themselves as a part of it, Somalis and similar Muslim groups do not consider themselves to be a part of this system and have yet to assimilate besides speaking a common language. It's a question of national sovereignty.

In what world are post-modernists secularists? They literally have the similar criticisms of enlightenment age values as Muslims do although they go into a bit of excess.

 

[Gacmeey]

It's better to be engaging with left-wing political parties (becoming political donors, becoming a member) and influence it from within. Right-wing parties are a no go; you will end up eventually turning on your own community and other poc/ethnic minority communities.

That’s just not how politics works, it never has and it never will.You don’t give up your bargaining chip in the hopes of some future favour. Americans Muslims have been doing that for a decade and where has it gotten them. You’ve gotta be willing to use whatever leverage you have and in this case it’s the voting block. You’ve got to be willing to jump in bed with the other side if they do not give you what you want, otherwise your vote will be taken for granted.

As for turning on your community, have you been paying attention to politics? The left regularly turns on minority communities particularly religious minorities. I mean Obama, a member of the left, started the Muslim ban it is also leftists who disregarded parents rights to determine what education is best for their kids. They are both as terrible as each other and you can only influence them by using your leverage and only giving them what they want (your vote) after they deliver results for you.

 

[AppleBoat398]

That’s just not how politics works, it never has and it never will.You don’t give up your bargaining chip in the hopes of some future favour. Americans Muslims have been doing that for a decade and where has it gotten them. You’ve gotta be willing to use whatever leverage you have and in this case it’s the voting block. You’ve got to be willing to jump in bed with the other side if they do not give you what you want, otherwise your vote will be taken for granted.

As for turning on your community, have you been paying attention to politics? The left regularly turns on minority communities particularly religious minorities. I mean Obama, a member of the left, started the Muslim ban it is also leftists who disregarded parents rights to determine what education is best for their kids. They are both as terrible as each other and you can only influence them by using your leverage and only giving them what they want (your vote) after they deliver results for you.

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[Bundasliga]

Or maybe they are so integrated & patriotic that they try to preserve their adopted culture& customs like @AbdiFreedom