Why does Islam ban nationalism?

[ChickenOriental]

Said the same thing about medina

Where did you get that hadith, sister? Is it sahih?

 

[BebsiBolice]

Perhaps we need to define exactly what we mean by 'nationalism'. When I hear the word and generally when it is warned against by the scholars it is about pride but more so placing your allegiance to your nation above your allegiance to Islam.

In other words would you back someone just because they belonged to your nation/tribe/race even if they were doing something extremely unjustice and straight up unislamic? If the answer is yes, then this is nationalism and what the scholars warned against. You should fight only for Haq not for the sake of your nation's unislamic agendas.

Yes I would back/protect/help a Somali person even if they are doing unIslamic things. I relate to the Somali person by culture, history and linage.

I'm not gonna back let's say someone from Afghanistan, someone who I have no connectionn with except for religion.

I love my people and I want what's best for my people and my country. How can that be so bad?

 

[click-boom]

Yes I would back/protect/help a Somali person even if they are doing unIslamic things. I relate to the Somali person by culture, history and linage.

I'm not gonna back let's say someone from Afghanistan, someone who I have no connectionn with except for religion.

I love my people and I want what's best for my people and my country. How can that be so bad?

the bold is your answer. " enjoy the good, forbid evil"

 

[BebsiBolice]

the bold is your answer. " enjoy the good, forbid evil"

They're my people.

 

[ChickenOriental]

But doesn't Islam say just celebrate holidays that are deemed Sunnah?

I'm just thinking from somalias perspective. When my mother was young she used to celebrate some holidays that don't exist anymore. People in my generation don't even know about these holidays and if you ask the elders they'll say we will not celebrate it because it's not Sunnah.

This falls under the part of culture that goes against Islam. Abu Dawood (1134) narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, they had two days when they would play. He said: “What are these two days?” They said: “We used to play on these days during the Jaahiliyyah.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has given you instead of them two days that are better than them: the day of al-Adha and the day of al-Fitr.” This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh AbiDawood.

If Somalis were to go on celebrating these traditions, they would be going against this hadith and they would be adding something new to the deen. It is better so stay away from such things and to stick to the sunnah in such cases. However, there are plenty of things Somalis are able to do which make them distinct from other people i.e. our cultural dress, weddings, food etc. All of these customs are fine so long as the way we practice them falls within the boundaries of Islam (e.g. no haraam, shirk, bid'ah etc.). Most Somalis have managed this and we ain't nothing like Arabs - we have our own national identity and yet mashaAllah for the most part we tend to be the Muslims who adhere to the Sunnah the most.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Said the same thing about medina

Second holiest mosque in Islam is in medina. Why don't you believe in the shariah?

 

[click-boom]

They're my people.

are you Muslim?

“You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allaah” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:110]

doesn't matter if they are your people or not......

 

[Canuck]

Where did you get that hadith, sister? Is it sahih?

It is here in this link http://haqislam.org

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

@Barni @Canuck you do know one can't be a Muslim & not believe in the divine law of Allah the shariah. I hate to break it to you girls but you're both suffering from severe cognitive dissonance, luckily you have me to point that out to you whereas most people would not say certain things cause they wouldn't want to cause you discomfort.

 

[BebsiBolice]

are you Muslim?

“You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allaah” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:110]

doesn't matter if they are your people or not......

Yes I'm a muslim. I don't practice as much as I used to. I think the religion can be confusing and is being hijacked by people with ulterior motives.

Can you really fault me for differating between my people and others?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Illahay ba inigu dharshee bal aniga lee miya miise dhadka meeshan majority of them wax aa sii ka ah

 

[BebsiBolice]

This falls under the part of culture that goes against Islam. Abu Dawood (1134) narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah, they had two days when they would play. He said: “What are these two days?” They said: “We used to play on these days during the Jaahiliyyah.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has given you instead of them two days that are better than them: the day of al-Adha and the day of al-Fitr.” This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh AbiDawood.

If Somalis were to go on celebrating these traditions, they would be going against this hadith and they would be adding something new to the deen. It is better so stay away from such things and to stick to the sunnah in such cases. However, there are plenty of things Somalis are able to do which make them distinct from other people i.e. our cultural dress, weddings, food etc. All of these customs are fine so long as the way we practice them falls within the boundaries of Islam (e.g. no haraam, shirk, bid'ah etc.). Most Somalis have managed this and we ain't nothing like Arabs - we have our own national identity and yet mashaAllah for the most part we tend to be the Muslims who adhere to the Sunnah the most.

So you believe we should stay away from celebrating holidays that are not Sunnah?

Aren't we then errasing part of our culture and national identity? And does this say in the Quran?

 

[ChickenOriental]

Yes I would back/protect/help a Somali person even if they are doing unIslamic things. I relate to the Somali person by culture, history and linage.

I'm not gonna back let's say someone from Afghanistan, someone who I have no connectionn with except for religion.

I love my people and I want what's best for my people and my country. How can that be so bad?

Because what is best for your country is that they are upon Haq i.e. the deen of Allah. By aiding them when they are doing unislamic things, you have not helped them, rather you have made them more likely to enter the Fire.

So if your fellow countryman beheads children and boils them in a massive vat in the middle of a village you will back them? Come on, sis. I know your conscience/fitrah would not enable you to stomach that level of cruelty.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

So you believe we should stay away from celebrating holidays that are not Sunnah?

Aren't we then errasing part of our culture and national identity? And does this say in the Quran?

Hadalka badan jooji ee pass the bottle of ciroc kkkk

 

[BebsiBolice]

Because what is best for your country is that they are upon Haq i.e. the deen of Allah. By aiding them when they are doing unislamic things, you have not helped them, rather you have made them more likely to enter the Fire.

So if your fellow countryman beheads children and boils them in a massive vat in the middle of a village you will back them? Come on, sis. I know your conscience/fitrah would not enable you to stomach that level of cruelty.

You're example is not logical. I wouldn't back illegal activities at all. But I will always back Somalis, before anyone else, doesn't matter if it makes it unIslamic. I rather save an atheist, drinking, gambling Somali than perhaps a hard core Muslim Pakistani. Why well because the Somali is my people, literally my blood.

 

[ChickenOriental]

You're example is not logical. I wouldn't back illegal activities at all. But I will always back Somalis, before anyone else, doesn't matter if it makes it unIslamic. I rather save an atheist, drinking, gambling Somali than perhaps a hard core Muslim Pakistani. Why well because the Somali is my people, literally my blood.

To me illegal = unislamic because as a Muslim I am bound by the Sharee'ah i.e. the Law of Allah. If you believe the same thing, then we would be in agreement as your opening sentence would read "I wouldn't back unislamic activities at all". MashaAllah that would mean you would support your Somali brethren unless they were doing something unislamic, in which case you would refer them back to the Haq and advise them as best as you could. That's perfect.

Laakin I suspect when you say 'illegal' you do not mean 'unislamic'. Which leads me to my next question: if you do not adhere to the guidelines of Allah and refer back to them, what law/system are you living by?

 

[click-boom]

Yes I'm a muslim. I don't practice as much as I used to. I think the religion can be confusing and is being hijacked by people with ulterior motives.

Can you really fault me for differating between my people and others?

nationalism isn't allowed in islam because of the basic concepts of "the ummah" and "caliphate".

 

[BebsiBolice]

To me illegal = unislamic because as a Muslim I am bound by the Sharee'ah i.e. the Law of Allah. If you believe the same thing, then we would be in agreement as your opening sentence would read "I wouldn't back unislamic activities at all". MashaAllah that would mean you would support your Somali brethren unless they were doing something unislamic, in which case you would refer them back to the Haq and advise them as best as you could. That's perfect.

Laakin I suspect when you say 'illegal' you do not mean 'unislamic'. Which leads me to my next question: if you do not adhere to the guidelines of Allah and refer back to them, what law/system are you living by?

Well I live in Sweden. I believe secularism and democracy should be practice everywhere.

It's not right to force your belief on people. Not everyone is going to agree with the sharia. It's much better then to implement a system where everyone can have a say in how they should be governed, even mjnorities.

 

[BebsiBolice]

nationalism isn't allowed in islam because of the basic concepts of "the ummah" and "caliphate".

Yeah I get that. And I find it to problematic.

The Muslim world is too diverse for that.

 

[ChickenOriental]

Well I live in Sweden. I believe secularism and democracy should be practice everywhere.

It's not right to force your belief on people. Not everyone is going to agree with the sharia. It's much better then to implement a system where everyone can have a say in how they should be governed, even mjnorities.

Do you believe that Islam is the true and only religion of Allah? Do you believe that the Quran is the Word of Allah? Do you believe that Allah is the Most Just?

If you answer no to any of those questions then my dear sister I fear for your Iman and I advise you to learn your deen especially while the Shaytaan is locked away in this beautiful month. I truly love you for the sake of Allah and I am so happy that you are asking questions and are seeking knowledge. May Allah bless you with 'Ilm and allow you to taste the sweetness of Iman, Ameen.

If the answers are all yes, then you need to ask yourself, if Allah is the Most Just and superior to all things how can I say that a man made ideology/system is superior to the system of Allah 'az wajjal?