why doesn't Africa have a single developed country or developed enough?

Europe has many
Asia has Japan Taiwan South Korea
North America has two
South America has Uruguay
Oceania has Australia or New Zealand

Africa has south Africa but that has its issues
 
Many factors involved. Its complex and different for each country. One major one is stable governance.

Political instability scares investors overseas from investing into the country. A lot of skilled workers leave. This stagnates economic growth and corruption is endemic.
 

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Europe has many
Asia has Japan Taiwan South Korea
North America has two
South America has Uruguay
Oceania has Australia or New Zealand

Africa has south Africa but that has its issues
Africa would had it if the west didn't interfere in African affairs or support dictators stealing africa's wealth. Gabon for instance small country with small population blessed with oil, but majority of the population don't see any of the oil revenue, instead it goes to private accounts in France and Gabon's leaders got support from France. Many other examples exist.
 

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Africa would had it if the west didn't interfere in African affairs or support dictators stealing africa's wealth. Gabon for instance small country with small population blessed with oil, but majority of the population don't see any of the oil revenue, instead it goes to private accounts in France and Gabon's leaders got support from France. Many other examples exist.

Africa is poor by design. Congo fuels the world economy in terms of so many resources yet only a small section of it's population lives well while its general population endure practically slave conditions.



The one time a Congolese leader actually cared and wanted better for his people and them getting a piece of the pie, the west had him assassinated.
 
Europe has many
Asia has Japan Taiwan South Korea
North America has two
South America has Uruguay
Oceania has Australia or New Zealand

Africa has south Africa but that has its issues
Its hard to hear but the reality is that even before colonization in the 1800s africa was behind the rest of the world. It had been for at least 2 millenia. 90% of africa with a few exceptions had
1) no writing system
2) no coinage
3) no animal transportation so everything was done by hand
4) no infrastructure like wells or dams

There was basically almost no real precolonial state capacity in most of africa. That has huge ramification since ultimately the europens wether its in asia or africa could only build and rely on what was already there. In asia you already had large states with bureaucy, wiriting, and infrastructure in place . So the Europeans colonization of asia meant these countries could acquire European knowledge and technology on a large scale . So that buy the time colonization ended asian countries had a decent pool of well educated elites and they had built up a decent amount of infrastructure.

By 1950 indonesia alone had 60 thousand km of roads all of sub saharan africa had 42,000 km by 1960
 
Africa is poor by design. Congo fuels the world economy in terms of so many resources yet only a small section of it's population lives well while its general population endure practically slave conditions.



The one time a Congolese leader actually cared and wanted better for his people and them getting a piece of the pie, the west had him assassinated.
Not to mention that most African countries are actually underpopulated despite the fear mongering by racists.
 
Someone on this forum shared this explanation i think this tells the other end of why outside of geography/history.

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Africa is poor by design. Congo fuels the world economy in terms of so many resources yet only a small section of it's population lives well while its general population endure practically slave conditions.



The one time a Congolese leader actually cared and wanted better for his people and them getting a piece of the pie, the west had him assassinated.

You see there in that video , it shows many of the things that i often point out class separation, unregulated hyper capitalism which makes wealth distribution uneven, lack of investments in affordable housing which creates a large poor population, rich minority that hoards all the wealth and slums.
 
I get the appeal of this narrative that there is some neoliberal economic order purposely trying to keep africa down and there are elemnst of this narrative that are very true. But it has huge flaws as well. For instance why did the African countries in the 80s and 90s need imf bailouts in the first place? Its becuase the import substitution model didn't work for them.

The current economic consensus at the time (60-80s) was that it was the best way to develop. But in reality it only works in some cases. The imf structural adjustments were the new economic consensus (80-90s) and they also as we realized later failed.

Thr simple reality is that while there are a lot of complex factors at play and they vary by country. At the end of the day the difference between African countries vs Asian countries. Was that 1)you had the early suceas of Japan who then later when it colonized korea and northern china invested heavily in them then korea and Japan later invested in china and they all later invested in southeast easia. So it went Japan > China and korea > Malaysia, indoensia,Vietnam ,thailand

2) no real instutions so that meant these African countries had a very small base to start from . And couldn't maintain political stability. If you read about all the shit asia went through in the last 60 years it's just as bad as africa, but they were able to weather the storm and maintain stability.
 

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Its hard to hear but the reality is that even before colonization in the 1800s africa was behind the rest of the world. It had been for at least 2 millenia. 90% of africa with a few exceptions had
1) no writing system
2) no coinage
3) no animal transportation so everything was done by hand
4) no infrastructure like wells or dams

There was basically almost no real precolonial state capacity in most of africa. That has huge ramification since ultimately the europens wether its in asia or africa could only build and rely on what was already there. In asia you already had large states with bureaucy, wiriting, and infrastructure in place . So the Europeans colonization of asia meant these countries could acquire European knowledge and technology on a large scale . So that buy the time colonization ended asian countries had a decent pool of well educated elites and they had built up a decent amount of infrastructure.

By 1950 indonesia alone had 60 thousand km of roads all of sub saharan africa had 42,000 km by 1960

To be honest, West Africa was pretty on-point in all of these respects historically. Especially along the Sahel but even to some extent in the tropics. Once you went south of this particular line the tsetse fly among other issues made creating any sort of "advanced" societies pretty prohibitive even though Bantus still managed to do an impressive enough job in some cases:

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It's no shocker that European settler colonialism only really proved feasible and successful below that line and even then was not remotely as successful as in Australasia and North America where they mostly encountered Hunter-Gatherer populations. Most of the societies above that line had too high population sizes thanks to intensive enough agriculture and pastoralism, and through trade and some of their own industries had access to gun powder weapons. Cadaans themselves knew this and wrote reports about how infeasible it was to settle places like Egypt, India, the Horn, China or West-Africa.

West-Africa is, frankly, one of the main cultural cradles of mankind comparable to the Fertile Crescent, Eastern China and Mesoamerica and mainly lagged behind in terms of monumental architecture:

West-Africans are actually impressive if one truly cares about stuff like agriculture and civilization. They discovered both plant and animal domestication independently as well as metallurgy and forms of proto-writing like Nsibidi. And their terracotta and bronze art is some pretty impressive stuff on par with anything out of the Middle East or China. These guys were mostly just behind in terms of monumental architecture but even then stuff like Ashanti architecture or Sudano-Sahelian architecture, if you believe the latter is mostly native, is fairly impressive. And not to mention that they discovered all of this alone which is more than can be said for cadaans who had to have everything I just outlined exported to them from the Middle East via the Aegean.

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West-Africa is in many ways one of the original cultural cradles of mankind alongside the Fertile Crescent, Eastern China and Mesoamerica. It was even the home of a massive, demographic changing expansion like the former two.

They're not all that irrelevant on the world stage either despite the incredibly extreme wealth inequality that we're all heading toward worldwide, make no mistake. Nigeria, their Germany of sorts, is the most populated country on the continent, is part of OPEC, has produced billionaires and has urban centers about as massive as those of some the Asian countries other than China, Japan and South Korea, the latter two of whom pretty much got handheld and developed by the West.
 
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To be honest, West Africa was pretty on-point in all of these respects historically. Especially along the Sahel but even to some extent in the tropics. Once you went south of this particular line the tsetse fly among other issues made creating any sort of "advanced" societies pretty prohibitive even though Bantus still managed to do an impressive enough job in some cases:

Kq7pWkD.jpeg


It's no shocker that European settler colonialism only really proved feasible and successful below that line and even then was not remotely as successful as in Australasia and North America where they mostly encountered Hunter-Gatherer populations. Most of the societies above that line had too high population sizes thanks to intensive enough agriculture and pastoralism, and through trade and some of their own industries had access to gun powder weapons. Cadaans themselves knew this and wrote reports about how infeasible it was to settle places like Egypt, India, the Horn, China or West-Africa.

West-Africa is, frankly, one of the main cultural cradles of mankind comparable to the Fertile Crescent, Eastern China and Mesoamerica and mainly lagged behind in terms of monumental architecture:



They're not all that irrelevant on the world stage either despite the incredibly extreme wealth inequality that we're all heading toward worldwide, make no mistake. Nigeria, their Germany of sorts, is the most populated country on the continent, is part of OPEC, has produced billionaires and has urban centers about as massive as those of some the Asian countries other than China, Japan and South Korea, the latter two of whom pretty much got handheld and developed by the West.



What the two regions went through in the last few hundred years is nowhere near comparable. It's frankly dishonest to even try to compare them in the simplistic manner you just did with this short paragraph. You're also completely glossing over how much the USA pretty much propped up and created Asia's two main success stories within the last 65 years as I pointed out above. Japan's current development isn't due to its Meiji Restoration. Japan was finished after WWII. The US propped it up as a satellite of its global empire. This is historical fact. And mostly the same goes for SK.

Once you discount these two and the libaax that was always going to be China, Asia is not in reality that ahead of SSA. Countries like Thailand aren't even going to see "first world" wealth and status before their population begins declining. They're just more "developed" than SSA on the underdeveloped scale in part due to being right next to those Western propped up success stories and China but who wants to flex "I'm less poor than you." ?
I would divide west africa into 2 civilizations both are pretty intresting. One is the sahelian stuff which has very deep roots in places like mali and Mauritania with djeene-dao and tchaliit.
The second would be the coastal west african civilization. The yourba have one of the most interesting and unique belife systems. That's why I'm a belice of the geography explanation for why complex urbanized states similar to other parts of the wolrd had a harder time emerging.


But I think your underestimating what Japan did or how advanced these guys were even before they contacted europeans. In the 1600s Tokyo (or edo ) as it was known back then was the largest city in the world. These guys weren't "handed" anything on a silver platter. Everybody the middle east and asia imported foerign advisors. But who was able to what Japan did? They beat the russians in the early 1900s And at the beginning of world War 2 where one of the most indutralized countires in the world all within a span of 50 years. In the 1980s America was talking about Japan the way they do China right now. They also played a huge role in the indutralization of korea and China. Mainy of the elites and intellectuals of China and Korea in the early 20th century studied in Japan .


Also while it's true pouplation decline is a massive problem . It's also a huge problem in africa as well since outisde the sahel and somalia other african countries are experiencing a huge decline in fertility. Furthermore the gap between southeast asia and Africa is might larger than your assuming. Even cambodia the poorest country in southeast asia which experience a gencoide a couple deacades ago is on part with kenya when it comes to education , electricity, water acess. And it slightly beats it in some aspects. The other countries are several times richer.
 
Although I will say south Asia is the exception to this. Frankly I don't seem them developing much beyond the current economic level. They have huge problems that even africa doesn't face
 
Too much groupthink and trauma sharing on this continent. “Africa is one” xaar, prime example that Ibrahim Traore guy from Burkina Faso. Kicking out French troops for PR when you’re losing to JNIM is certainly a choice.

Kagame is the greatest leader on the continent right now. Top dog no doubt. Unfortunately he got given a country 20x smaller than Somalia, smack bang in the middle of black Africans with no coastline. He needs a coaching upgrade.
 
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