Why I Now Support Somaliland Independence/Ictiraaf

Does Somaliland Deserve Independence?


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The fact of the matter is, I always supported it. My issue was with the inclusion of any people or lands that didn't want to be part of it, and that still remains a concern. The difference now is, I think they truly deserve it and it is unfair to deny it to them. The borders would of course need to be negotiated and no parts of Harti lands would be included. Aside from that, SL deserves independence and international recognition. After the recent 1 man 1 vote election that was fair and completely free of violence, and the former president MBA conceding and ready to hand over power, and the chaos that is Mogadishu, they have proven that they are mature enough to be afforded the right not to be held back by people who want nothing but war and corruption. It is clear that no progress is being made in Somalia nor will be made in the next few decades as shabaab terrorists haven't been defeated and now foreign troops including Ethiopians are entering the country in mass numbers. Soon Egyptians will also enter, along with the already present African Union troops who are going to remain in the country to 'safeguard' it. No matter who is in charge in Mogadishu, the cycle of war and corruption will continue as we have seen with Farmaajo and his replacement Gurguurte who continues to do the same things he accused his predecessor of. There is no shame in Somalia's current crop of leaders as they tried to destroy JL under Farmaajo and now Culusow. That being the case, is it really fair to hold back a people that want to leave this terrible situation? It is sadistic and mean spirited to hold back SL's development to the whims of corrupt former cab drivers and NGO assistant supervisors. Unlike other Somalis like my fellow PLers, SLers don't live all over Somalia from north to south, they live overwhelmingly in Waqooyi (and DDS in Ethiopia). It really makes no sense for them to continue to have anything to do with Somalia from a political or geographical standpoint. Their election and sincere commitment to their country crystalized my viewpoint. Please join me in supporting their cause.

P.S....Perhaps SL independence coming to fruition will wake up our stupid leaders in PL who still continue to believe in a silly notion of 'Somalia'. We've developed PL from scratch but have sat by and watched as 'presidents' from Farmaajo to Qoslaaye have sat in Villa Wardhiigley bunker seeking to undermine us at every turn. We brought this current version of federalism to Somalia but Somalis don't want it and they clearly don't want us. Let's face it, we are the most hated Somalis due in large part to the fact that we actually brought the current government to Mogadishu in 2006 using funds and soldiers paid from the proceeds of Bossaso port. Why do we continue to stick around? What is in it for us? We held a historic 1 man 1 vote election and we were cursed from the 'masjid' in Villa Somalia with destruction in 24 hours. Mogadishu's agents were paid to undermine our election and the 1 man 1 vote presidential election that Deni wanted to hold. If we had not been tied at the hip to such people, we would not have had to deal with any of that. I think SL independence will finally wake PLers up when they see SL developing and gleaming while we sit around waiting for Villa Somalia to release our aid funds every year. For those of you PLers who naively believe in Somaliweyn, just know that 90% of reer Somalia would love to see us leave as well, so the feeling is mutual. I have no doubt if a referendum was held today most Somalis would vote overwhelmingly to remove PL from Somalia. They do not want you and in fact they view you as the problem, and you should not want anything other than what is in your best interests. SLers are not your enemy, and they don't hate you. You do not even border each other. I say take everything north of Gaalkacyo and call it a day, but do not continue to stand in the way of SL's independence. After all, I believe that realistically the main thing that has been holding SL back from its freedom is PL and PLers. It is time to call a spade a spade and move on with our lives.
 
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trying to militarily subjugate other clans and force ur political agendas on them, the unequal distribution of power/resources etc. shows SL is just not serious i’m sorry. They carry the same dodgy xaasid political culture as the rest of the horn.

I think if SL had sensible political establishment, I would be supportive of them becoming independent
 
Calling for a new country because you can hold an election in a country with no pluralism is example of main character syndrome from Isaaqlanders
 
Many elite Isaaq are undercover Somali nationalists but hide their true feelings because of the riff raff being brainwashed by charlatans for years.
 

Karim

I could agree with you but then we’d both be wrong
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Why do they deserve it is the main question?! If a region within a recognised country holds one man one vote election, does that mean they deserve to be their own country?!

Taiwan holds elections, and its rich, developed and militarily strong yet they're not a country.

Somaliland hasn't developed economically, socially and militarily. The youth of that region flee and die in the Libyan Sahara or the Mediterranean sea just like Southern Somali people that are fleeing Shabab, poverty and endless wars in their regions. The secessionist ideology in that region was invented by 1 out of the 5 main clans in the north, they cannot force their own political agendas onto others and it's not fair to the rest.

My question still stands: WHY DO THEY DESERVE TO SECEDE FROM THE COUNTRY?! Is there any binding historical document that allows them to SECEDE?! It's thought provoking question that needs to be answered. Why?!!!
 

Sigmundd

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Why do they deserve it is the main question?! If a region within a recognised country holds one man one vote election, does that mean they deserve to be their own country?!

Taiwan holds elections, and its rich, developed and militarily strong yet they're not a country.

Somaliland hasn't developed economically, socially and militarily. The youth of that region flee and die in the Libyan Sahara or the Mediterranean sea just like Southern Somali people that are fleeing Shabab, poverty and endless wars in their regions. The secessionist ideology in that region was invented by 1 out of the 5 main clans in the north, they cannot force their own political agendas onto others and it's not fair to the rest.

My question still stands: WHY DO THEY DESERVE TO SECEDE FROM THE COUNTRY?! Is there any binding historical document that allows them to SECEDE?! It's thought provoking question that needs to be answered. Why?!!!
Chill Somaliland is most likely not going to get independence, I hope I answered your question.
 
Why do they deserve it is the main question?! If a region within a recognised country holds one man one vote election, does that mean they deserve to be their own country?!

Taiwan holds elections, and its rich, developed and militarily strong yet they're not a country.

Somaliland hasn't developed economically, socially and militarily. The youth of that region flee and die in the Libyan Sahara or the Mediterranean sea just like Southern Somali people that are fleeing Shabab, poverty and endless wars in their regions. The secessionist ideology in that region was invented by 1 out of the 5 main clans in the north, they cannot force their own political agendas onto others and it's not fair to the rest.

My question still stands: WHY DO THEY DESERVE TO SECEDE FROM THE COUNTRY?! Is there any binding historical document that allows them to SECEDE?! It's thought provoking question that needs to be answered. Why?!!!
Because A China exists and B even if Taiwan gets absorbed by China it wont turn into a global shithole, the main reason for seceding if you ask most Landers is that they dont want to be a part of the buuq and handicaps that come with being attached to Somalia, if SL and Taiwan traded places you wouldn't see this fierce desire to leave.
 
trying to militarily subjugate other clans and force ur political agendas on them, the unequal distribution of power/resources etc. shows SL is just not serious i’m sorry. They carry the same dodgy xaasid political culture as the rest of the horn.

I think if SL had sensible political establishment, I would be supportive of them becoming independent
Fighting rebels isnt handicapping the natives these rebels shouldnt be in SL there not from here there PL'ers who feel that the land is theirs.
 

rayxn3

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Because A China exists and B even if Taiwan gets absorbed by China it wont turn into a global shithole, the main reason for seceding if you ask most Landers is that they dont want to be a part of the buuq and handicaps that come with being attached to Somalia, if SL and Taiwan traded places you wouldn't see this fierce desire to leave.
So self hatred is why SL deserves to be their own country? They don’t want to be associated with their own people. Landers are so sad man. At least Djiboutians don’t look down on Somalia.

Somaliland hasn’t achieved a thing. You can’t even claim that it’s peaceful in comparison to Somalia anymore considering Somaliland recently had conflict with Laascaanood.
 
Why do they deserve it is the main question?! If a region within a recognised country holds one man one vote election, does that mean they deserve to be their own country?!

Taiwan holds elections, and its rich, developed and militarily strong yet they're not a country.

Somaliland hasn't developed economically, socially and militarily. The youth of that region flee and die in the Libyan Sahara or the Mediterranean sea just like Southern Somali people that are fleeing Shabab, poverty and endless wars in their regions. The secessionist ideology in that region was invented by 1 out of the 5 main clans in the north, they cannot force their own political agendas onto others and it's not fair to the rest.

My question still stands: WHY DO THEY DESERVE TO SECEDE FROM THE COUNTRY?! Is there any binding historical document that allows them to SECEDE?! It's thought provoking question that needs to be answered. Why?!!!

Your comparison to Taiwan makes no sense because China is not a complete and utter failure filled with terrorists. If it was, it would deserve to be recognized.

'The secessionist ideology in that region was invented by 1 out of the 5 main clans in the north, they cannot force their own political agendas onto others and it's not fair to the rest.' - Many clans in Somalia don't want federalism either, that much is clear. Many also don't want centralism. Why is that political agenda being forced on them? The logic must be applied fairly and evenly.

WHY DO THEY DESERVE TO SECEDE FROM THE COUNTRY?! - if it is a question of being 'deserving' then why does any country 'deserve' to be a country, other than to protect and serve its citizens? Why then does Somalia deserve to be a country? Can you even call it a country? None of the presidents since 1969 have been elected, they don't control outside the capital, they require thousands of foreign forces, people flee constantly due to lack of opportunities and murder by terrorists. Is Somalia and more 'deserving' than SL? Was South Sudan deserving?

SL deserves to be its own country because SL'ers get nothing out of Somalia just as PLers don't. They have essentially been their own country in all but name for the past 30 years.

@Karim Do you believe that SL must stay within Somalia no matter what happens? Even if Somalia crumbles back to the warlord and terrorist era? Where do you draw the line? Are you saying that a country can never break apart?
 
So self hatred is why SL deserves to be their own country? They don’t want to be associated with their own people. Landers are so sad man. At least Djiboutians don’t look down on Somalia.

Somaliland hasn’t achieved a thing. You can’t even claim that it’s peaceful in comparison to Somalia anymore considering Somaliland recently had conflict with Laascaanood.
Not self hatred I never said that we're somali I'm saying we're held back massively by being attached to Somalia since many of the things we need to improve the country come with being recognised and that isn't true that SL hasnt achieved anything when we're a stable entity and you've been at war for 30 plus years that is an achievement.
 
Your comparison to Taiwan makes no sense because China is not a complete and utter failure filled with terrorists. If it was, it would deserve to be recognized.

'The secessionist ideology in that region was invented by 1 out of the 5 main clans in the north, they cannot force their own political agendas onto others and it's not fair to the rest.' - Many clans in Somalia don't want federalism either, that much is clear. Many also don't want centralism. Why is that political agenda being forced on them? The logic must be applied fairly and evenly.

WHY DO THEY DESERVE TO SECEDE FROM THE COUNTRY?! - if it is a question of being 'deserving' then why does any country 'deserve' to be a country, other than to protect and serve its citizens? Why then does Somalia deserve to be a country? Can you even call it a country? None of the presidents since 1969 have been elected, they don't control outside the capital, they require thousands of foreign forces, people flee constantly due to lack of opportunities and murder by terrorists. Is Somalia and more 'deserving' than SL? Was South Sudan deserving?

SL deserves to be its own country because SL'ers get nothing out of Somalia just as PLers don't. They have essentially been their own country in all but name for the past 30 years.

@Karim Do you believe that SL must stay within Somalia no matter what happens? Even if Somalia crumbles back to the warlord and terrorist era? Where do you draw the line? Are you saying that a country can never break apart?
Exactly sxb this is the point I'm making its comparing apples to nachos completley different beast entirely
 

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